Why Tim Duncan is overrated and KG is underrated

[Malta]

Celebrating everyone who negs me, cause I dissed your husband Duncan
Get the sand out of your vagina breh

They are kind souls doing the lords work, why be salty about what you brought upon yourself

Your opinion on hoops is now status friend.

 

[Newzz]

I probably hate Tim Duncan more than anybody on this board. I can't stand his home made lineups and old white man jeans he wears. Besides Battier, he's the corniest black athlete I've ever seen.

HOWEVER,

How the hell is Tim Duncan overrated?

He's won 4 rings with a team of low draft picks and castoffs from other teams. He's always been a winner and even Shaq refers to him as Mr. Duncan, because he's earned that respect. People always said switch Kobe with another SG and The Lakers wouldve still won
Nope

MY response has always been give Kobe Tim Duncan and they wouldve still beat anybody. Tim Duncan Iin his prime was that damn good. Get this thread and your rep outta here

@Malta ...i still hate Duncan

 

[mvp_status]

Down the stretch of games........gimme the 7 footer, who realizes he's 7 feet, and goes to work in the paint..............over the 7 footer whose content with playing 18 feet from the basket

 

[Bishop_BP_Jakes]

 

[HARLEM AL]

This nikka used Mario Elie, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, and Steve Kerr and "stacked" in the same sentence. I knew then that you weren't serious.

LMFAOOOOOOOO nikka is bugging

 

[Barry Sanders]

I don't believe the hype that Tim Duncan is the greatest Power Forward ever. To me KG is the greatest Power Forward to play this game (With honorable mention to Kevin Mchale, Bob Pettit, Charles Barkley, and Elvin Hayes)

Honestly I never respected Tim Duncan. Not for him as a person or his unselfishness on the court, but his career.


Duncan is not a power forward. He is a center that plays power forward. He played PF due to him playing with Robinson. Then when he retired, Duncan was too scared to play against Shaq when he was on the Lakers so he stayed in that position.

Also people really overlook how stacked those Spurs teams were. From the '99 team with Avery Johnson, Mario Ellie, Shawn Elliot, Robinson, etc. Then later Kerr, Stephen Jackson, Ginobili, Parker, etc. Let someone say KG had any body on his team close to that. None of his teammates were no where as good as even one of Duncan's. To me its impressive that KG lead his teams to the playoffs and lost in the WC Finals in 2004 with Sprewell and Cassell as his best teammates

And now on Duncan the player. As crazy as it may sound, Duncan was overrated. He is the perfect example of a system guy. Duncan was the lone player in all those 4 titles, but so was Popovich as a coach. Popovich to me is one of the greatest coaches of all time IMO. One of the best at creating plays, and recognizing the talent he has and utilizing it to its greatest potential to succeed. One of the best half court executing teams. Duncan was not that great an individual talent offensively or defensively. I will admit had a very high BBall IQ and utilized the "system" to perfection and had the physical tools to do so. Not to mention he was the ultimate team player. He knows exactly where to be and it helps that he is a good passer. But when have you ever seen Duncan put someone in a phone booth defensively or dominated someone offensively? What I'm basically saying is Duncan's greatness is predicated on Popovich's off and deff sets.

KG on the other hand never had a steady coach on the Wolves except for Flip Saunders for a few years. Was the anchor on defense on a poor defensive team. One of the best defensive players of any position IMO. An exceptional passer. Also one of the best footwork for a big man. Only Mchale and Olajuwon are in his league in that regard. Duncan's defense is again a "system" defense. He plays good defense on only power forwards since he really is a center anyway lol

To say Duncan is the best because of his titles is wrong, given his very talented teammates and hall of fame coach. Is Kobe better than Oscar Robertson because of his 5 titles? Um..hell no. Duncan is not in the same league as KG

This is not a shot at Duncan to make KG look good. I am simply stating that he is not the player people portray him to be. Duncan should still be in the Hall of Fame obviously, but not in that all time elite status. KG, instead of Duncan, should be regarded as the greatest PF to ever play

 

[malbaker86]

I don't believe the hype that Tim Duncan is the greatest Power Forward ever. To me KG is the greatest Power Forward to play this game (With honorable mention to Kevin Mchale, Bob Pettit, Charles Barkley, and Elvin Hayes)

Honestly I never respected Tim Duncan. Not for him as a person or his unselfishness on the court, but his career.


Duncan is not a power forward. He is a center that plays power forward. He played PF due to him playing with Robinson. Then when he retired, Duncan was too scared to play against Shaq when he was on the Lakers so he stayed in that position.

Also people really overlook how stacked those Spurs teams were. From the '99 team with Avery Johnson, Mario Ellie, Shawn Elliot, Robinson, etc. Then later Kerr, Stephen Jackson, Ginobili, Parker, etc. Let someone say KG had any body on his team close to that. None of his teammates were no where as good as even one of Duncan's. To me its impressive that KG lead his teams to the playoffs and lost in the WC Finals in 2004 with Sprewell and Cassell as his best teammates

And now on Duncan the player. As crazy as it may sound, Duncan was overrated. He is the perfect example of a system guy. Duncan was the lone player in all those 4 titles, but so was Popovich as a coach. Popovich to me is one of the greatest coaches of all time IMO. One of the best at creating plays, and recognizing the talent he has and utilizing it to its greatest potential to succeed. One of the best half court executing teams. Duncan was not that great an individual talent offensively or defensively. I will admit had a very high BBall IQ and utilized the "system" to perfection and had the physical tools to do so. Not to mention he was the ultimate team player. He knows exactly where to be and it helps that he is a good passer. But when have you ever seen Duncan put someone in a phone booth defensively or dominated someone offensively? What I'm basically saying is Duncan's greatness is predicated on Popovich's off and deff sets.

KG on the other hand never had a steady coach on the Wolves except for Flip Saunders for a few years. Was the anchor on defense on a poor defensive team. One of the best defensive players of any position IMO. An exceptional passer. Also one of the best footwork for a big man. Only Mchale and Olajuwon are in his league in that regard. Duncan's defense is again a "system" defense. He plays good defense on only power forwards since he really is a center anyway lol

To say Duncan is the best because of his titles is wrong, given his very talented teammates and hall of fame coach. Is Kobe better than Oscar Robertson because of his 5 titles? Um..hell no. Duncan is not in the same league as KG

This is not a shot at Duncan to make KG look good. I am simply stating that he is not the player people portray him to be. Duncan should still be in the Hall of Fame obviously, but not in that all time elite status. KG, instead of Duncan, should be regarded as the greatest PF to ever play

 

[VICVALLIN]

I try to make it a point to respect everybody's opinion, even if it differs from my own, but shyt like this stupid ass thread really does test my resolve.

 

[K-Deini]

 

[Goatpoacher]

2004 Sam cassell averaged 19/7 and was all nba second team in 2004. How was he nowhere as good as past his prime Drob, sean elliot and avery Johnson?

To be fair, He got injured after the timberwolves were on their way to the Finals. KG is underrated on here.

 

[Stack Money]

Duncan is not a power forward. He is a center that plays power forward. He played PF due to him playing with Robinson. Then when he retired, Duncan was too scared to play against Shaq when he was on the Lakers so he stayed in that position.

CO-fukkIN SIGN! I been sayin this exact shyt verbatim for years finally someone gets it, he played center in college the Spurs had Robinson and went wit the twin towers lineup wit Duncan at PF and he continued tryna cheat by goin up against smaller guys once Robinson left. Its not really fair to say he's the best PF in history cause he has a clear advantage bein that he's actually a center, if Shaq played PF he'd be the best PF of all time too cause his size would greatly outmatch his competition. nikkas look silly braggin on a center bein better than a PF like its some great accomplishment, its way more impressive that a undersized PF like Barkley beasted on opponents the way he did or even how the undersized Ben Wallace was able to block and outrebound bigger centers. The Duncan KG comparison is especially laughable since KG actually has better numbers in their head to head matchups, not only was Duncan consistently owned by Shaq but he couldn't even get the best of a shorter skinny PF which proves even if you considered him a PF he wouldn't be the greatest at that position dude got that work from multiple elite big men in his era.

Also people really overlook how stacked those Spurs teams were. From the '99 team with Avery Johnson, Mario Ellie, Shawn Elliot, Robinson, etc. Then later Kerr, Stephen Jackson, Ginobili, Parker, etc. Let someone say KG had any body on his team close to that. None of his teammates were no where as good as even one of Duncan's. To me its impressive that KG lead his teams to the playoffs and lost in the WC Finals in 2004 with Sprewell and Cassell as his best teammates

 

[UpAndComing]

CO-fukkIN SIGN! I been sayin this exact shyt verbatim for years finally someone gets it, he played center in college the Spurs had Robinson and went wit the twin towers lineup wit Duncan at PF and he continued tryna cheat by goin up against smaller guys once Robinson left. Its not really fair to say he's the best PF in history cause he has a clear advantage bein that he's actually a center, if Shaq played PF he'd be the best PF of all time too cause his size would greatly outmatch his competition. nikkas look silly braggin on a center bein better than a PF like its some great accomplishment, its way more impressive that a undersized PF like Barkley beasted on opponents the way he did or even how the undersized Ben Wallace was able to block and outrebound bigger centers. The Duncan KG comparison is especially laughable since KG actually has better numbers in their head to head matchups, not only was Duncan consistently owned by Shaq but he couldn't even get the best of a shorter skinny PF which proves even if you considered him a PF he wouldn't be the greatest at that position dude got that work from multiple elite big men in his era.

Yupp cosign to what you said too

The only time I only saw Duncan play center was when Spurs faced the Suns in the playoffs. And who played center for the Suns at that time.... Amare.... a PF playing center


People don't realize the size difference between a center and power forward. They overlook it cause its only one position over
Not only are centers usually taller than PFs, they also are way more heftier and have more mass. Like a 50 to 60 pound difference
Imagine Lamarcus Aldrige having to guard Shaq for a whole playoff series. Let's see how that'll turn out
So its obvious Duncan would have an advantage. Hey, he's a smart man, he knows how to play to his advantages. Still doesn't change the fact that he's a Center

When a player is listed as a PF/C, its Centers who can play the Power Forward position. Its NEVER the other way around

 

[Oroko Saki]

This is a really good way to get negged

if i could contribute to that, believe me i would OP. Nothin even needs to be said here, just negs and one stars

 

[MrFantastic]

Literally

This nikka used Mario Elie, Avery Johnson, Sean Elliot, and Steve Kerr and "stacked" in the same sentence. I knew then that you weren't serious.

 

[ECA]

Duncan def isn't overrated but he owes alot due to being placed in the perfect situation, similarly to Tom Brady being on the Patriots and Belichick

The Spurs had the third worst record in the league when Duncan got drafted though. at him getting drafted in a perfect situation