Why was the greatness of It Was Written ever questionable?

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Nas is coming was the only misstep on this masterpiece

Chill

the Golden Child chopped that ass up u was holdin out
let the streets be the courts and corners holdin trial
fatal not ficticious I rocked the cable 86 shyt
foreign cars young with crazy bytches
mad smoke makes me able to quote
solicitin' images is off that murder i wrote
a provocative plan can bring a not to my hand
as the pyramids that stand at the top of the sand
in the heat of the moment like farrakhan said we need atonement

Nas Is Coming>>

IWW one of my top 3 of all time and I been sayin that since the 90s
 

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This is the problem with you gay ass colsed-minded old school backpackers. You only care about names, (lack of)
fame and image rather than the actual quality of the music. You're only upset because Pete Rock and Large Professor weren't on the album. You judge albums based on features, production credits, and what the rapper is wearing on his videos. You'd rather have a wack pete rock beat on the album than a dope trackmasters/hitmen beat.

The fact that It was written sold well made ya hate the album even more

because you responded in the matter that you did, you just showed me that the point i was trying to push across went completely over your head. i don't give a fukk about how famous/unfamous the producers were or weren't. the fact is, the trackmasters didn't have half the talent of pete rock or large professor, or anyone from the first album did period.
also, they didn't even have the best beats on said album either. the way that you're trying to make this a mainstream vs backpacker issue, just lets me know how foolish you really are. since you can't seem to grasp the simple concept of the message, here it is:
the trackmasters just weren't that good. go settle for your average beats and act like they were really that nice. i can only imagine the kind of hate the production on this album would really recieve if it wasn't nas over the beats. all eyez on me and life after death were both great produced albums. conicidentally, i don't think i should like them according to you, since i'm such a backpacker.:troll:
ol gotta smack you in the head to understand ass motherfukker
 

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I could've sworn I read that IWW was gonna get 5 mice, but they didn't wanna give it to the same artist two albums in a row.
 

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Nas 2nd best album and one of my fav albums ever.

The message :noah: played it about 50 times first time i heard it. That beat :noah:
Street Dreams is a dope song gets alot of hate for no reason.
I gave you power dope concept song great story
Take it in blood is lyrically crazy
Watch dem
Black girl lost
shootouts
live n!gga rap
Silent murder
Affirmative action ..those guitar strings and Az's acapella in the beginning :banderas:
Suspect :banderas:

How can anyone hate on those songs???? :mindblown:

Album is a classic
 

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I knew the album was gonna be ass as soon as I heard The Message and that weak ass McMafia beat.

I will admit it has aged pretty well.
 

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"Nacho cheese, I'm Castro"

I gotta admit, I chuckled real hard when I played this track the other night. You've given me a greater appreciation for Nas is Coming. Thanks breh.
Yes, the album does have that woeful line, but as a whole illmatic has more worthless lines and the production and song writing on IWW far surpasses its predecessor.



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I gave you props but now you going too far breh :comeon:
Mayne, I'm just agreein with naS fans in this thread...

plenty naS fans feel like IWW is better than illmatic, also plenty naS fans think IWW is a 4/5 album... I posted a classic song from IWW. I just dont appreciate lines like the one in my sig or "monkey rhythm flippin rappers" :comeon:
 

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Because Nas didnt die soon after releasing the album...

Illmatic to It was written is similar to Ready to die to Life after death...However, Biggie was glorified for "Life After Death" even though it was filled with fillers and was no way as good as Ready to Die...

But Biggie died, and "dead rappers get better promotion"...

No rapper has yet to write a song like "Shootouts"...Nas had the juice...
Exactly.

The transition from Ready To Die to LAD and Illmatic to IWW is damn near identical. (Grimey street NY kids telling their tales of struggle in the hood. To bigger than life Rap/drugdealer stars.) Im pretty sure BIG threw shots at Nas for copying the steeze.


Yet one is a universal acclaimed "movie like" album. While the other gets bashed for going too "commerical" :comeon: , The lyrics and concepts on IWW were iller than LAD too. LAD jus has it beat on overall presentation and the production of it.


Actually Biggie transition from RTD to LAD is not the same as NaS from ILLmatic to I.W.W. NaS did a complete 180 where as Biggie just expanding his formulas. "Ready To Die" still had the club bangers in the mist of the grimey tracks. Where as "ILLmatic" basically had no club records on it then he had the more flossy sound on "I.W.W.". I personally loved the album when it came out but even back then I knew it wasn't better than "ILLmatic". Purist did go overboard with hate but NaS did again make a huge 180 turn. The reason Biggie didn't get the same criticism is the fact he gave us the "Big Poppa's, and One More Chance's". Which was no different than "Hypontize and Mo, Money, Mo Problems". Had NaS did a few flossy records or polished sound on "ILLmatic" then it wouldn't of been a huge change to "I.W.W.". Also Critically "Life After Death" got way better reviews than "I.W.W." actually the reviews were on par with his debut. Where as I.W.W. got way less reviews scores than "ILLmatic".
 
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Actually Biggie transition from RTD to LAD is not the same as NaS from ILLmatic to I.W.W.

It is not the same, but it is similar...

NaS did a complete 180 where as Biggie just expanding his formulas.

Nas didn't do a "complete 180" as you put it...He expanded just as you concluded with Biggie...

"Ready To Die" still had the club bangers in the mist of the grimey tracks.

Dude there are no "club bangers" on Ready To Die...The concept of "club banger" as we know it today, and as you are referring to, did not exist back in the 90's...

Would you call "Protect Ya Neck" "All I Need" "Ice Cream" "Shimmy shimmy ya" and etc "Club Bangers"...? What about "Quiet Storm"...? According to hip hop historians, and people who lived through it, "Quiet Storm" wrecked the Tunnel (a club) when Mobb Deep released it...

The song was so hot it propelled the Mobb to platinum status...There were NO "club bangers" as we know it today...Hot songs were just hot songs...

"One more Chance" which you are probably referring to, was just a less edgy song that did well in the club, because it had a slow RnB beat, and people could slow dance it when the party was closing down...

Ready To Die has 16 tracks, and of the sixteen tracks, "One more chance" is the only so called club banger that you are referring to, okay, I will give you "Juicy" too..So, 2 out of 16 tracks are so called "Club Bangers"...That's only 12.5% of the album...


Where as "ILLmatic" basically had no club records on it then he had the more flossy sound on "I.W.W.".

The same argument can be used for "Ready To Die" and "Life After Death"...Those two albums DO NOT have the same sound as you alluded to, in your argument against the Nas albums...

"It was written" doesn't have any "Club Bangers" on it...The album was carried by "If I ruled the world" and "Street Dreams"...These songs can hardly be called "Club Bangers"...

Nas didn't do a 180 as you put it...He was "dreaming" a little bigger...On "Illmatic", he is a young dude looking out his window and fantasizing on a hood level...On "It was written," he has matured a little bit, and he is "dreaming" on a global level...On "It was written" Nas realizes that QB is not the beginning and the end of the world...There is a bigger world beyond those project walls...


In other words, he is "expanding" his horizon as you argued for Biggie..."It was written" was just ahead of it's time, in the sense that, (1) hip hop in a stage were, the grimmey NYC sound was being challenged by a more advanced brighter NYC sound, producers were becoming more creative (2) Nas was pushing forward, but the fan base was not ready for it...They wanted a couple of more "Illmatics" before letting Nas go...

I personally loved the album when it came out but even back then I knew it wasn't better than "ILLmatic". Purist did go overboard with hate but NaS did again make a huge 180 turn. The reason Biggie didn't get the same criticism is the fact he gave us the "Big Poppa's, and One More Chance's". Which was no different than "Hypontize and Mo, Money, Mo Problems". Had NaS did a few flossy records or polished sound on "ILLmatic" then it wouldn't of been a huge change to "I.W.W.". Also Critically "Life After Death" got way better reviews than "I.W.W." actually the reviews were on par with his debut. Where as I.W.W. got way less reviews scores than "ILLmatic"

Biggie didn't get that hate because (1) he died..."Life After Death" really is a trash album...How many people who are not Biggie fans even talk about that album...? Even in The Coli, we hardly discuss this album, unless somebody brings it up in an unrelated discussion...For example, this thread was about "It is was written," but because I made the comparison, we are talking about Life After Death...

LAD is a sympathy win for Biggie...That album was NOT that good...Especially when you consider the album that preceded it...

Think about it, most casual Nas fans will pick "It was written" over most Nas albums most of the time...But a casual Biggie fan like me will pick RTD over LAD, like many more casual Biggie fans would...

LAD was NOT that good...It was a commercial success, but Biggie's talent was not put into good use...Biggie was a dark irony with a little twist of a sick sense of humour type of rapper...I was glad that even Kanye West alluded to this in one of his recent rants...

That flashy stuff, I really don't think Biggie "naturally" wanted to do it...

The change from RTD to LAD is night and day to me...I was young at the time, but all I remember from that time, is the hype of "missing you," and I think that song helped to sell LAD, in unison with Biggie's untimely demise...

LAD is forgettable without the historical context of its release...
 
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