Why white identity has forsaken public infrastructure investment

[88m3]

How would free college, higher taxes on rich people and universal healthcare hurt Black people?

it fails when comes to the prejudices of the people in charge historically


also in some places I'm sure black people would thrive where in other parts of the country they would continue to suffer

 

[AnonymityX1000]

it fails when comes to the prejudices of the people in charge historically


also in some places I'm sure black people would thrive where in other parts of the country they would continue to suffer

What's stopping us from continuing to hold leadership's feet to the fire or even *gasp* becoming the leaders/in charge?
No one is saying it would run smoothly but let's get the ideal processes on the books.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

im all for socialism if we dont have to be quiet about racial justice as well. the compromise isnt worth it. we can do both also, i dont believe tamping down racial justice talk will make cacs happy anyway. they simply do not want a more socialized nation as long as we are here in substantial numbers. demographic shifts and smarter local politics is the only solution i see that hasnt been put into practice yet. the dems already dont really cater to specific black interests anymore and it is causing us to slide further down the totem pole in this country.

I'm saying politicians specifically Democrats should be quiet. A) it is ineffective and gets the electorate divided on tribal lines and B) the politicians are usually disingenuous about it anyway.
Leave the social justice stuff to citizens, the media, artists, non-profits, etc. or at least wait until you are in office and have enough like-minded legislators in place to implement it. Dems or whoever being in the minority in all phases of government need to get elected first before defying the racist status quo. It's strategy not just doing what you want when you want to do it.

 

[88m3]

What's stopping us from continuing to hold leadership's feet to the fire or even *gasp* becoming the leaders/in charge?
No one is saying it would run smoothly but let's get the ideal processes on the books.

Not saying it isn't possible but just stating the reality of the situation.


Look at the lack of hospitals in poor communities and now DMV closures in sensitive minority areas.


One more economic than underlying racist and the other is flat out racism


I support universal heath care and some sort of free higher education but I can't ignore the issues that will come with it.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Not saying it isn't possible but just stating the reality of the situation.


Look at the lack of hospitals in poor communities and now DMV closures in sensitive minority areas.


One more economic than underlying racist and the other is flat out racism


I support universal heath care and some sort of free higher education but I can't ignore the issues that will come with it.

Palante Siempre! Everyday struggle, etc. It is going to take a lot of consistent effort on our part to get what we want but yeah let's get on our grisly. Definitely not ignorant to the obstacles but we have to overcome them regardless.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

That's not hurting, despite your points it would be a net gain over the current situation.

Initially, there's a good chance that's the case. But eventually, if there's a significant disparity, as there is with the public school system, it will become a detriment.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Initially, there's a good chance that's the case. But eventually, if there's a significant disparity, as there is with the public school system, it will become a detriment.

How? Neither is anything like the public school system.
It's free and college is not local like public school you can go wherever you are accepted. And free healthcare no matter the disparity is better than going to the emergency room and accruing a bill/debt.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

How? Neither is anything like the public school system.
It's free and college is not local like public school you can go wherever you are accepted. And free healthcare no matter the disparity is better than going to the emergency room and accruing a bill/debt.

Free doesn't mean you're getting the same quality across the board.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

Free doesn't mean you're getting the same quality across the board.

Yes, but isn't that the case now? Plus it costs a lot. Let's get rid of one of those negatives.

 

[Secure Da Bag]

Yes, but isn't that the case now? Plus it costs a lot. Let's get rid of one of those negatives.

it's gonna cost a lot regardless. From what I understand countries with free college and healthcare tax very high to all but the very poorest of its citizens.

It's time for research. Because the both of us will go back and forth on speculation and get nowhere with truly understanding how any of this works.

 

[AnonymityX1000]

it's gonna cost a lot regardless. From what I understand countries with free college and healthcare tax very high to all but the very poorest of its citizens.

It's time for research. Because the both of us will go back and forth on speculation and get nowhere with truly understanding how any of this works.

I'd rather pay more in taxes than pay every time I go to the doctor, dentist, eye doctor etc. and no one pays taxes that equal the cost of a good college education. Shyt is six figures minimum.

 

[Pure Water]

How would free college, higher taxes on rich people and universal healthcare hurt Black people?

It wouldn't. It wouldn't hurt anyone. It's a gain for the country as a whole no matter how racist someone is. I don't give a fukk if Jim Bob is racist. He's going to be racist whether I get free healthcare or not.

 

[Pure Water]

it's gonna cost a lot regardless. From what I understand countries with free college and healthcare tax very high to all but the very poorest of its citizens.

It's time for research. Because the both of us will go back and forth on speculation and get nowhere with truly understanding how any of this works.

You don't have a health insurance bill every month, so it's probably around the same or less since more people are putting in.

And research? We have countries that have been doing this for decades to look at. IDC if they're majority white. It literally can not get any worse than it is right now.

 

[NZA]

I'm saying politicians specifically Democrats should be quiet. A) it is ineffective and gets the electorate divided on tribal lines and B) the politicians are usually disingenuous about it anyway.
Leave the social justice stuff to citizens, the media, artists, non-profits, etc. or at least wait until you are in office and have enough like-minded legislators in place to implement it. Dems or whoever being in the minority in all phases of government need to get elected first before defying the racist status quo. It's strategy not just doing what you want when you want to do it.

A. you're already divided if you let white supremacists determine how much political agency black voters have.
B. the "citizens" dont have political power, so their social justice work will be pointless without politics behind it

and let me add C. it was unpopular politics that got us both emancipation through war and the civil rights act. we get no progress in the country doing things cacs like

 

[AnonymityX1000]

A. you're already divided if you let white supremacists determine how much political agency black voters have.
B. the "citizens" dont have political power, so their social justice work will be pointless without politics behind it

and let me add C. it was unpopular politics that got us both emancipation through war and the civil rights act. we get no progress in the country doing things cacs like

There are more of them than there are of us. Therefore, let's use some strategy to beat them. What's more important getting policies passed that would help everyone or calling them out on their racism and feeling good inside about being right while getting nothing done? I say the former, if you disagree so be it.
The people in power are also citizens man, and citizens decide who's politics gain power. What are you talking about?
What's funny is the policies I'm outlining are popular among everyone but Dems are just not promoting them.