Why wont all the black players go to the black schools in college?

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Galactically stupid comment. None of these kids are finished products when they leave school, not even Lebron. Who they play with, who they play against, and who coaches them matters a great deal.

Elite players can be drafted on talent alone. Lebron didn't go to college and it absolutely wasn't necessary. Sure, scouts and franchsies care about competition and coaching, but the most talented players get drafted regardless and if HBCUs could attract some of the most talented players, that act in itself would raise the competition level of HBCU conferences.
 

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The role of shoe companies in top prospects college decisions mainly in Basketball is being overlooked in this thread.
 

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That's the thing, there is no expose other than you saying that they will have it. How? what TV contracts. If Reggie Bush was at Bethune-Cookman we'll just get some sportscenter highlights. Plus, a lot of people can like an individual player, but not really care about the team at all (Marshall Faulk and LT come to mind).

Harvard doesn't emphasize football/basketball, plus the Ivy league isn't big time sports conference compared to the ACC.

Back in the day Grambling and TSU (and a host of other HBCUs) churned out NFL talent and it didn't help them the way you said it should.

And being a winner and having elite talent isn't really apples to apples. A watered down SEC or B10 still producing a high ranking team would still have more pull, than a non big conference team (not just HBCU). Name brand has a lot of pull.

You keep thinking shortsightedly, my man. I'm not talking about this happening in a year. If the players had done it back then, it would be set up that way now. If they do it now, it will be setup that way in the future. Cause and effect.

Why can't my people ever see the next generation? We can we only think about today and see what's right in front of our faces? Of course if Wiggins went to FAMU it wouldn't make them an elite program overnight. But I bet ESPN would have picked up a few of their games. And they would have gotten to the tourney and made a lil guap. That's how it starts. Then the next kid sees that and decides he wants to go there too and carry on that winning tradition. And the FAMU he goes to is better because of what Wiggins did. Better facilities. Better fan base. And Wiggins, now an NBA superstar might drop some cash and make it an even more desirable destination.

Instead Wiggins went to Kansas so lil man is imagining himself in a Jayhawks jersey instead of a Rattlers jersey. :yeshrug:

HBCU's lose again. Historically BLACK Colleges and Universities. Just another of example of us neglecting our own. :smh:
 

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why keep giving these cac billions and give are black colleges that loot...just image all the black football and b'ball players playing for the all black colleges.

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because they don't want to get jobs with black businesses.
they want to get hired by the rich white businesses.
College is about education but more importantly it's about making connections.
 

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That's the thing, there is no expose other than you saying that they will have it. How? what TV contracts. If Reggie Bush was at Bethune-Cookman we'll just get some sportscenter highlights. Plus, a lot of people can like an individual player, but not really care about the team at all (Marshall Faulk and LT come to mind).

Harvard doesn't emphasize football/basketball, plus the Ivy league isn't big time sports conference compared to the ACC.

Back in the day Grambling and TSU (and a host of other HBCUs) churned out NFL talent and it didn't help them the way you said it should.

And being a winner and having elite talent isn't really apples to apples. A watered down SEC or B10 still producing a high ranking team would still have more pull, than a non big conference team (not just HBCU). Name brand has a lot of pull.

You seem to be of the opinion that winning is inconsequential to a college programs' popularity. This assertion flies in the face of correlational evidence. Generally the most popular programs are also the most winningest. Few college programs began as the behemoths they were today. State school programs grew as they gained more exposure and began winning, which resulted in more popularity and better recruits, which in turn led to higher and higher profits in a circular system. If winning wasn't an integral part of collee sports popularity then the most popular and wealthy teams wouldn't also tend to be the win the most often. In the business world talent drives production, which drives success and popularity, similar to the sports world. This circumstantial evidence provides support for @Jesus Shuttlesworth 's assertion that HBCUs profile and black schools' viability would rise if more high profile black students chose black colleges over public schools.
 

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what you're suggesting would take decades

if 4-5 5 star recruits went to howard next year then they could make enough money in one season to start rebuilding the facilities

so yeah, 5 star recruits would be a great 1st step



not sure if this is you or your wife posting, but :salute:

It really doesn't matter if it takes decades or 3yrs. The point is that if HBCU's got top talent, that top talent makes it to the league, get capital, starts businesses & hires his smart buddy from the HBCU to run his business who hires all of the other smart buddies to work there. You have a chain of money that turns over on itself & creates wealth

Ya'll really think these grandiose, unrealistic ideas are goin' to get us anywhere?

Really, a mass exodus to Howard, Hampton University, Florida A&M, etc.???

Anybody care to break the logistics to make that feasible or are we just gonna keep suggesting all-black leagues, then get mad when it doesn't happen so we can call our fellow black men, "c**ns" so we can continue with this inferiority complex?

Let's atleast get alumni's to contribute to the back and get them back on track.

Black American's are capable of great things. It was crazy to think we'd ever get out of slavery as well but we did. We did build Black WallStreet as well. Check my sig. We can do this...everything is there to do it. It just has to be implemented

Back in the day, yes. But today it's not cool to show your racism. Be racist? Oh that's fine. Display racism? :whoa:

They wouldn't be able to hide the obvious best teams. And as far as scheduling, it would be the white schools not on the schedule because the elites would only compete against the elites.

None of these power conferences would have TV deals without power players. Who would pay millions to air a garbage team that no one would watch because they're too busy watching the SWAC championship.

You think scouts are gonna ignore the dominance at black schools just because they're black schools? This is business. The scouts go where the talent is.

Deep Down they know this
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This thread is funny.

In theory, yes, this could work. In the harsh reality of life off of the internet, it doesn't stand a chance.

Too many short-term sacrifices to be made with not enough reward. Critcize the players and their parents but like I said, this isn't just about football. When that bagman shows up and offers to take care of your financially compromised family back home, what decision do you make? When you tour the facilities, and the coaching staff says they can get you to your goal with more certainty than anyone else, what decision do you make?

But then again, I'm not one of becoming an insular community like others on here. I don't think it benefits the black community at all to "re-segregate". There are other ways to skin this cat without having to resort to drastic measure such "all black players move to one league".

*Waits to be called a c00n*

again, we aren't saying HBCU's would totally topple the current structure of the NCAA but we should be able to get the guys willing to work and help rebuild the community they come from. Personally, I don't have a problem with our boys going to PWI's if they are paid out of poverty. They should demand that at the very least because the schools aren't teaching them how to be men or help rebuild their 'hoods'.
 

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Elite players can be drafted on talent alone. Lebron didn't go to college and it absolutely wasn't necessary. Sure, scouts and franchsies care about competition and coaching, but the most talented players get drafted regardless and if HBCUs could attract some of the most talented players, that act in itself would raise the competition level of HBCU conferences.

no it wouldnt. if, if, if is all yall got. can we please look at the talent at an hbcu currently. not no future shiit, we talk about now. when a 5 star player go to an HBCU, it'll just be a top ranked dude at an HBCU, there will be no raise level of competition.

basketball: lets take Wiggins going to Howard. him going to Howard would register and then people would start to question why is this dude going to Howard. he would play lesser competition, his team mates would not be good. he would maybe make the NCAA Tourney as a 13 seed or lower. they would be upset and Wiggins would declare for the draft. would Wiggins make a dent big enough in 1 year to start this "we gotta go to HBCUs now" talk.....no, then the school is back to where it begins again. trying to recruit hard a get a top rank recruit.

football: WInston could go to Southern. play well there, but is that gonna be enough to bring 5 star recruits there constantly. no, unless Winston is able to create a package deal in which he brings someone else, after that 1 year the school maybe can pull recruits that slip thru the cracks at big schools. I do not think 5 star plays can make a dent enough in 3 years that would persuade other kids to go
 

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Black American's are capable of great things. It was crazy to think we'd ever get out of slavery as well but we did. We did build Black WallStreet as well. Check my sig. We can do this...everything is there to do it. It just has to be implemented
Breh, you doin' too much. I'm asking us to do more than cheerlead.

What are the logistics of what ya'll are suggesting?

What do you want them to do and how will that be brought to reality?

That's a problem we have. Everyone's pointing fingers, callin' ppl out & demanding, very little are offering a solution or even showing us how it will benefit us.

Are we suggesting HBCUs are better?

What examples do we have of HBCUs benefiting black athletes more than "those other schools"?

So, I ask; how will me make it benefical to Afro-Americans to forego more powerfully equipped D-1 schools to attend HBCUs?
 

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Facilities before star recruits? I don't remember saying anything like that. Those are words you just made up, not me.

I said WINNING=MONEY and BLACK PLAYERS=WINNING.

I'm not 100% sure of the specifics as far as financing but I am 100% sure the school paid no money. The state paid no money.

As far as your question that didn't pertain to me, in this case, yes, the facilities came before the star recruits. I was a student at FAM during this time. They sucked at basketball. The first year they made the tourney they were dead last in the MEAC but got hot and won the conference tourney. With that trip came a boatload of money and probably donors too.

But again WINNING=MONEY and BLACK PLAYERS=WINNING.

Take every black player off UConn and send them to Lincoln or something (not even sure if they have a team lol) and UConn is NOT the national champ. As such, UConn does NOT get the money and support that comes along with it.

This is pretty basic and factual stuff. I don't get what you guys don't get.

:heh: My bad breh I was giving you credit for presenting the coli with a logical argument based on more than "ifs" and hopes and prayers. Silly me I won't make that mistake again.

With all due respect "WINNING=MONEY and BLACK PLAYERS=WINNING" isn't a plan it's a slogan for a low budget city council seat. You're talking about others not getting basic and factual stuff but you refuse to acknowledge the huge role money plays in building an athletic program. Money for facilities, money for coaches, money for recruiting budgets, etc.

So you posted about FAMU's basketball gym. According to wiki it cost about $40 mil to construct. According to this page the facility was paid for by PECO funds:

Alfred Lawson Jr. Multipurpose Center - Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University 2014

So my question to you is are YOU sure winning paid for that arena? Do you have a link stating how much of that $40 mil came from private donors? Lemme help you out a bit too. See UofH is going to see a "boatload" of NCAA tourney $ thanks to UCONN's title along with Louisville, Memphis, and Cincy's appearances. That "boatload" of money is a boatload more than what FAMU gets for making the first round. That "boatload" of money will make up less than 1/10 of UofH's athletic budget (real talk I'm lowballing it as I'm confident it's less than that). For the record UofH has the AAC's smallest athletic budget. If you think FAMU winning the MEAC made anything other than a dent in the cost of that gym...well I'ma need for you to link that breh. :usure:

They can move up in time. And importantly talent. Boise State was getting big conference invites. Hmm I wonder why.

And if these schools had the top players, they'd be getting invites as well.

Hold on big dog lemme stop you here too. This is a lie. The biggest conference invite Boise was invited to was the old Big East (now AAC). They were invited at the same time as us so I'm WELL aware of their story and their struggles. They don't have anywhere near the academics to get into a power 5 conference and they had to withdraw from the AAC along with SDSU because neither could afford to travel to the different schools in the AAC. It doesn't matter how much Boise wins because there are roadblocks in place to prevent them from moving up. But winning=money though right? Along those same lines I saw a different poster say Morgan St. passed on the A-10 for basketball. Aside from finding no evidence of even a rumor after a quick internet search the logistics of such a move doesn't make sense. Football is the only sport in which a conference would accept such a deal and it would be for a powerhouse whose name would raise the profile of the conference (like Notre Dame or BYU with certain conferences).

Now like I said originally I'm not posting to shyt on your opinions. I want to discuss actual plans not this winning=money bullshyt. If you go to a recruit and their parents with that you'll get laughed at in the face, sign nobody worth a damn, and quickly develop the reputation as the local "ain't shyt" coach/program/school. If you fail to acknowledge this than this is a pointless discussion because it shows you have zero knowledge of recruiting works. Now can we at least agree that basketball is the easier sport to make this come up in?

If so than what plan would you suggest? Contrary to what has been stated in this thread everything doesn't start with getting several 5 stars and making a run or two. It starts with a serious big donor or groups of donors. Someone needs to be willing to fork up money for a top flight head coach. That head coach will have to make just as much of a sacrifice as the kids in this situation btw. The lowest I could realistically see a big name guy with enough sway to even think about calling a 5 star is about $1 mil per. Big name coach is gonna want some real go getter assistants too that will help him recruit. Gonna have to fork up at least another half mil per combined for them. Since the school has moved up to 5 stars the recruiting budget will have to swell up like Sherman Klump. Big money nikka is gonna have to pay for all of those private jet flights across country, pay for official visits, and all sorts of other silly shyt that kids like that y'all nikkas in here aren't thinking about. Of course the kids themselves will want to get paid and sheeeeeiiit to get a 5 star to a school with no television contract, shyt facilities (see in this scenario I'm doing you a favor in omitting these expenses after the FAMU flub earlier), and poor competition. I know Ndubi Ebi got 300k to go Arizona. Wonder what it's gonna take to get a blue chip to Jackson St. I say all of that to repeat that you can't put the cart before the horse. You don't get recruits and then everything falls into place, it's the other way around.

To you credit though, you seem to recognize that this is a long term fix. I'm seeing other posters suggest quick fixes and that's just stupid. Nikkas talking about sign a fab 5 and get a big tv contract within a year or two.:mjlol: CUSA and MWC make a little over $1 a year wtf do some of y'all think a SWAC/MEAC deal is gonna get? Anyone that thinks even 1 hbcu that signs 3+ 5 stars a year and is a perennial top 25 team can propel THE ENTIRE conference to a large media deal is so ignorant of the subject it doesn't make sense. Additionally tv deals are generally around 12-13 years long. ESPN, NBC, CBS, FOX are not going to pump in tons of money for that length of time without a guarantee that it'll be worth it for them. They look at tv markets and past tv ratings to get those valuations not the caliber of prospects these schools are signing. Beyond that basketball deals are seperate from football deals. Basketball deals are chump change. The $1 mil per CUSA level teams is for football breh.
 

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those aren't great teams & black pride is very low right now. This is how stadiums look when you have star great players & pride in the schools






No doubt Air McNair was a transcendent talent. I could see a Jameis Winston talent staying close to home garnering enough local interest to fill up the stands. That type of consistent game day revenue would be big for that individual school. In my first post in this thread I quoted some of my old posts on this topic and in one of them I suggested pooling resources together to help prop up one or two hbcu's rather than an entire conference (not saying that's what should happen just throwing it out there). With that said even if Jameis went to Alabama St. and they were successful it wouldn't prop up the conference. The conference itself would benefit more from a better tv deal. Again say if Jameis went to Alabama St, they would have poor tv slots (I believe ESPN has the hbcu school's media rights currently). Poor enough to the point where there wouldn't be much of an audience on tape delay Saturday nights. These poor showings would affect the next tv deal. Of course the rest of the schools would have to carry their markets decently as well. I have more to add but long story short but it would be an incredibly long time to build up an entire hbcu conference off of football. It would have to be basketball and as I said earlier a successful basketball program only means it is able to support itself. You'd still need much more money to fund football.

Honestly I'm not even sure building powerhouse hbcu's is even necessary. Just raising the public profiles of hbcu's can help a school on the academic side. More exposure leads to an increase in applications which leads to a higher quality student. I'm not sure it's even possible to build a hbcu athletic powerhouse the way things are now but I definitely believe that hbcu's can use athletics to raise their academic profiles. I know that's not the topic here but shyt that is kinda important too...
 

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:heh: My bad breh I was giving you credit for presenting the coli with a logical argument based on more than "ifs" and hopes and prayers. Silly me I won't make that mistake again.

With all due respect "WINNING=MONEY and BLACK PLAYERS=WINNING" isn't a plan it's a slogan for a low budget city council seat. You're talking about others not getting basic and factual stuff but you refuse to acknowledge the huge role money plays in building an athletic program. Money for facilities, money for coaches, money for recruiting budgets, etc.

So you posted about FAMU's basketball gym. According to wiki it cost about $40 mil to construct. According to this page the facility was paid for by PECO funds:

Alfred Lawson Jr. Multipurpose Center - Florida Agricultural and Mechanical University 2014

So my question to you is are YOU sure winning paid for that arena? Do you have a link stating how much of that $40 mil came from private donors? Lemme help you out a bit too. See UofH is going to see a "boatload" of NCAA tourney $ thanks to UCONN's title along with Louisville, Memphis, and Cincy's appearances. That "boatload" of money is a boatload more than what FAMU gets for making the first round. That "boatload" of money will make up less than 1/10 of UofH's athletic budget (real talk I'm lowballing it as I'm confident it's less than that). For the record UofH has the AAC's smallest athletic budget. If you think FAMU winning the MEAC made anything other than a dent in the cost of that gym...well I'ma need for you to link that breh. :usure:



Hold on big dog lemme stop you here too. This is a lie. The biggest conference invite Boise was invited to was the old Big East (now AAC). They were invited at the same time as us so I'm WELL aware of their story and their struggles. They don't have anywhere near the academics to get into a power 5 conference and they had to withdraw from the AAC along with SDSU because neither could afford to travel to the different schools in the AAC. It doesn't matter how much Boise wins because there are roadblocks in place to prevent them from moving up. But winning=money though right? Along those same lines I saw a different poster say Morgan St. passed on the A-10 for basketball. Aside from finding no evidence of even a rumor after a quick internet search the logistics of such a move doesn't make sense. Football is the only sport in which a conference would accept such a deal and it would be for a powerhouse whose name would raise the profile of the conference (like Notre Dame or BYU with certain conferences).

Now like I said originally I'm not posting to shyt on your opinions. I want to discuss actual plans not this winning=money bullshyt. If you go to a recruit and their parents with that you'll get laughed at in the face, sign nobody worth a damn, and quickly develop the reputation as the local "ain't shyt" coach/program/school. If you fail to acknowledge this than this is a pointless discussion because it shows you have zero knowledge of recruiting works. Now can we at least agree that basketball is the easier sport to make this come up in?

If so than what plan would you suggest? Contrary to what has been stated in this thread everything doesn't start with getting several 5 stars and making a run or two. It starts with a serious big donor or groups of donors. Someone needs to be willing to fork up money for a top flight head coach. That head coach will have to make just as much of a sacrifice as the kids in this situation btw. The lowest I could realistically see a big name guy with enough sway to even think about calling a 5 star is about $1 mil per. Big name coach is gonna want some real go getter assistants too that will help him recruit. Gonna have to fork up at least another half mil per combined for them. Since the school has moved up to 5 stars the recruiting budget will have to swell up like Sherman Klump. Big money nikka is gonna have to pay for all of those private jet flights across country, pay for official visits, and all sorts of other silly shyt that kids like that y'all nikkas in here aren't thinking about. Of course the kids themselves will want to get paid and sheeeeeiiit to get a 5 star to a school with no television contract, shyt facilities (see in this scenario I'm doing you a favor in omitting these expenses after the FAMU flub earlier), and poor competition. I know Ndubi Ebi got 300k to go Arizona. Wonder what it's gonna take to get a blue chip to Jackson St. I say all of that to repeat that you can't put the cart before the horse. You don't get recruits and then everything falls into place, it's the other way around.

To you credit though, you seem to recognize that this is a long term fix. I'm seeing other posters suggest quick fixes and that's just stupid. Nikkas talking about sign a fab 5 and get a big tv contract within a year or two.:mjlol: CUSA and MWC make a little over $1 a year wtf do some of y'all think a SWAC/MEAC deal is gonna get? Anyone that thinks even 1 hbcu that signs 3+ 5 stars a year and is a perennial top 25 team can propel THE ENTIRE conference to a large media deal is so ignorant of the subject it doesn't make sense. Additionally tv deals are generally around 12-13 years long. ESPN, NBC, CBS, FOX are not going to pump in tons of money for that length of time without a guarantee that it'll be worth it for them. They look at tv markets and past tv ratings to get those valuations not the caliber of prospects these schools are signing. Beyond that basketball deals are seperate from football deals. Basketball deals are chump change. The $1 mil per CUSA level teams is for football breh.

I never mapped out or attempted to map out any plan so if "my plan" doesn't sound feasible to you, I would have to ask what plan you're talking about.

I simply explained how things work. You want a bigger budget? You want better facilities? Winning brings those things.

To completely change the culture of college sports of course it would take time. It would take decades. I just thought something like that would be understood and was very confused when people kept asking me how I would convince all the top prospects to go to HBCU's this coming season.

As far as FAMU's gym the school paid nothing so even if it was 100% private funding, do you think that funding would have come without those tourney trips?

Winning=Money is no slogan. It's a fact.
 

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how bout some HBCU starts with attracting elite students...then you revenue share at some point.

elite students that will make future donations or maybe come from wealthy background and can give you immediate donations....then you can build faculties to get athletes and sell them on the educational fall back.
I believe a school starts with the type of student you accept....then you can get the sports rolling.
 

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So you're going to boycott good universities that practically give away degrees to their athletes so you can go to a HBCU that has produced exactly nothing for the intellectual community? So you can be with all your black brothers? And once more, you actually think others would agree to this? God, you are stupid.
 

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So you're going to boycott good universities that practically give away degrees to their athletes so you can go to a HBCU that has produced exactly nothing for the intellectual community? So you can be with all your black brothers? And once more, you actually think others would agree to this? God, you are stupid.

I'm only responding to you because you are promoting incorrect information.

It isn't about 'being with our black brothers' its about creating business opportunities for black people that will cure the perpetual high unemployment in our communities.
 
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