Why would a loving God send people to hell?

[noon]

First of all, we're talking about a lifetime of sinning. Secondly, hell isn't eternal, it's just so long it may seem like that. But God says all His servants will submit, willingly (in this life, by choice) or unwillingly (through a purification process called hell).

But this doesn't mean God doesn't love you. If anything that means you don't love yourself.

The "eternal fire" is not eternal? Just a really really really really long time? How long?

 

[MikelArteta]

The coli atheist brigade will have to fsxe judgment like all of us one day. Deep down you know their is a higher power and you will bow down in this lifetime or when your earthly body is dead.

 

[the cac mamba]

The coli atheist brigade will have to fsxe judgment like all of us one day. Deep down you know their is a higher power and you will bow down in this lifetime or when your earthly body is dead.

 

[MikelArteta]

Death is the great equalizer

Enjoy the blur that is 40-65 years you have left.

 

[Ikwa]

So murderous and criminals should get off scotch free for their crimes?

 

[noon]

The coli atheist brigade will have to fsxe judgment like all of us one day. Deep down you know their is a higher power and you will bow down in this lifetime or when your earthly body is dead.

Live a good life. If there are gods and they are just, then they will not care how devout you have been, but will welcome you based on the virtues you have lived by. If there are gods, but unjust, then you should not want to worship them. If there are no gods, then you will be gone, but will have lived a noble life that will live on in the memories of your loved ones.

 

[NoMayo15]

So murderous and criminals should get off scotch free for their crimes?

If anyone has to account for this, its Christians. If god forgives murderers and criminals, then no, some sinners might not ever pay for their crimes. Someone good might go to hell for not believing. What kind of moral system is that to believe in?

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

If anyone has to account for this, its Christians. If god forgives murderers and criminals, then no, some sinners might not ever pay for their crimes. Someone good might go to hell for not believing. What kind of moral system is that to believe in?

You think a lifetime of ungratefulness is "good"?

God gives you the beautiful gift of life and you not only refuse to acknowledge it, every single day, but you try to shyt on Him every chance you get.

 

[NoMayo15]

You think a lifetime of ungratefulness is "good"?

God gives you the beautiful gift of life and you not only refuse to acknowledge it, every single day, but you try to shyt on Him every chance you get.

I'm talking about a person who is of a different faith, or doesn't know. Not internet trolls. And still, is god so petty that he views someone trolling as equally bad as someone who rapes on the reg? That's a moral, just god to you?!

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

I'm talking about a person who is of a different faith, or doesn't know. Not internet trolls. And still, is god so petty that he views someone trolling as equally bad as someone who rapes on the reg? That's a moral, just god to you?!

Show me a religious person who "rapes on the reg" and I'll show you a person who isn't religious.

You gotta stop looking at it as "different faiths". Most people on Earth worship the same God and they have worshiped the same God for thousands of years. Most people are just idiots and don't realize that fact though.

You know of at least some semblance of an idea about God so "didn't know" is not a valid excuse for you. Why aren't you grateful? As I see you completely ignored my most important part.

 

[NoMayo15]

Show me a religious person who "rapes on the reg" and I'll show you a person who isn't religious.

Okay I'm going to ignore the obvious fallacy to stick to my main point: According to Christian theology, god views all these acts as sin, and as such each act is just as "bad" as the next. A person who rapes/murders all their life, have a deathbed conversion, and ultimately could go to heaven. Someone who is relatively good might go to hell for not having faith ... by either being ignorant of the religion, doubtful of its validity and rejects belief, or convinced that ANOTHER belief is true. Do you think these are equally bad crimes and deserve equal punishment?

You gotta stop looking at it as "different faiths". Most people on Earth worship the same God and they have worshiped the same God for thousands of years. Most people are just idiots and don't realize that fact though.

That might be true, and I don't know, maybe if the Abrahamic god exists then maybe he views Jews, Christians and Muslims all as his believers. MAYBE. But what about those other faiths? Doesn't my argument still stand for those? People who have done nothing wrong but happened to be born of parents of a particular faith and weren't convinced your belief is true?

You know of at least some semblance of an idea about God so "didn't know" is not a valid excuse for you. Why aren't you grateful? As I see you completely ignored my most important part.

Well, I have heard of this particular belief, but I just happened to be born here at this particular time in history. What about other people. And also, I don't KNOW that this idea is the TRUTH because it's unconfirmable just like other religions. How can I be grateful to something which I don't know if it exists. It's a retarded point.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Okay I'm going to ignore the obvious fallacy to stick to my main point: According to Christian theology, god views all these acts as sin, and as such each act is just as "bad" as the next. A person who rapes/murders all their life, have a deathbed conversion, and ultimately could go to heaven. Someone who is relatively good might go to hell for not having faith ... by either being ignorant of the religion, doubtful of its validity and rejects belief, or convinced that ANOTHER belief is true. Do you think these are equally bad crimes and deserve equal punishment?

God knows the heart. If a person truly repents, God can easily forgive them. Notice I said truly. You can't "trick" God by claiming belief on your death bed. I think your questions and misunderstandings come from corrupted teachings.

Belief is shown through deeds, not words.

And again I ask you, is a lifetime of ungratefulness good? Have you ever seen a child receive a gift and refuse to say thank you? We would call that child spoiled and certainly not condone such behavior. Yet, here you are promoting this same type of attitude. Why don't you give thanks?

That might be true, and I don't know, maybe if the Abrahamic god exists then maybe he views Jews, Christians and Muslims all as his believers. MAYBE. But what about those other faiths? Doesn't my argument still stand for those? People who have done nothing wrong but happened to be born of parents of a particular faith and weren't convinced your belief is true?

There's no "maybe" involved. It's been written. And not everyone was born into the faith they choose to follow. Again, you may be speaking from your own individual experience. But as individuals we are responsible for ourselves. As such, why would anyone else matter? When the day in question arises you won't be asked about anyone but yourself. You can't use someone else's ignorance as your excuse.

Well, I have heard of this particular belief, but I just happened to be born here at this particular time in history. What about other people. And also, I don't KNOW that this idea is the TRUTH because it's unconfirmable just like other religions. How can I be grateful to something which I don't know if it exists. It's a retarded point.

So you happened to be born in a time and place when this info is readily available to you? That seems like more to be grateful for IMO. Why do you keep asking about other people? Why do people look for God in external things and ignore what is inside them, themselves?

How can you be grateful? You just breathed a breath didn't you? Surely you can be grateful for that. Or are you the responsible party? You are 100% dependent on something. At least admit that obvious truth.

 

[Type Username Here]

The god describe in a lot of religions, especially the abrahamic ones, isn't loving. It is an authoritarian dictator with actions that demonstrate pettiness, jealousy, and lack of omnipotence.

AKA human. It's a human creation for other humans. It has human qualities. We weren't made in "his" image, "he" was made in ours.

This "god" would be a villain in any other setting.

 

[NoMayo15]

God knows the heart. If a person truly repents, God can easily forgive them. Notice I said truly. You can't "trick" God by claiming belief on your death bed. I think your questions and misunderstandings come from corrupted teachings.

Belief is shown through deeds, not words.

And again I ask you, is a lifetime of ungratefulness good? Have you ever seen a child receive a gift and refuse to say thank you? We would call that child spoiled and certainly not condone such behavior. Yet, here you are promoting this same type of attitude. Why don't you give thanks?

Okay, this just proves my point. If a person "truly repents", they will be forgiven. Someone who was a psychopath can go to heaven to be with God. This is not a moral, or just system of punishment.

There's no "maybe" involved. It's been written. And not everyone was born into the faith they choose to follow. Again, you may be speaking from your own individual experience. But as individuals we are responsible for ourselves. As such, why would anyone else matter? When the day in question arises you won't be asked about anyone but yourself. You can't use someone else's ignorance as your excuse.

Just because your book says so doesn't make it true. Just because you believe it doesn't make it true. There are people who agree with you that God is real, and scripture is true, but disagree with you that different religions worship the same god, and will get to heaven.

I realize not everyone stays with the same faith, however it is rarer that people convert from the religion they are brought up to believe. Of course I'm speaking from my experience, as you are speaking from yours. Everyone else matters because I also care about other people. And it seems like if you were a "true Christian" you'd also care about the souls of your fellow man as well. Interesting.

So you happened to be born in a time and place when this info is readily available to you? That seems like more to be grateful for IMO. Why do you keep asking about other people? Why do people look for God in external things and ignore what is inside them, themselves?

How can you be grateful? You just breathed a breath didn't you? Surely you can be grateful for that. Or are you the responsible party? You are 100% dependent on something. At least admit that obvious truth.

Yeah I am really grateful to have been born in the situation I was. The thing is I don't know if your god is what I should be grateful towards. I've already explained why I asked about other people. These situations matter and according to this theology, many souls have been damned because of these rules your god made up. The question should be, why don't you care? Are you really this self-centered that you only care about your individual circumstance?

I don't know what you mean by looking for god internally. If god is the creator of the universe, how could he be inside me when I've been here only about a quarter of a century?

Yes, I'm grateful my family birthed and cared for me. I'm grateful I live in a mostly free society. There are plenty of real tangible things to be grateful for. Your claim that some supernatural being affects my life has not been demonstrated to be true. Just because I can breathe is only proof that I can inhale & exhale ... not that god is the cause.

 

[Jesus Shuttlesworth]

Okay, this just proves my point. If a person "truly repents", they will be forgiven. Someone who was a psychopath can go to heaven to be with God. This is not a moral, or just system of punishment.

According to who? You don't know another person's trials and tribulations. A person can go through hell in this life and you not know it. It's best to leave that kind of judging to higher powers.

Just because your book says so doesn't make it true. I realize not everyone stays with the same faith, however it is rarer that people convert from the religion they are brought up to believe. Of course I'm speaking from my experience, as you are speaking from yours. Everyone else matters because I also care about other people. And it seems like if you were a "true Christian" you'd also care about the souls of your fellow man as well. Interesting.

Well it's clear you missed my point. I'm not talking about "don't care" as in fukk everybody else. I mean they don't matter in this discussion pertaining to you and your personal relationship, or lack there of with your creator.

I'm also not a Christian but your kind has a knack for limited knowledge and applying the same tired, thoughtless arguments again and again. Not that that matters because the entire point went over your head anyway.

And I love how you ask a question about "my book" then when answered you say "Just because your book says so..." What did you ask me for?

Yeah I am really grateful to have been born in the situation I was. I just don't know if your god is what I should be grateful towards. I've already explained why I asked about other people. These situations matter and according to this theology, many souls have been damned because of these rules your god made up. The question should be, why don't you care? Are you really this self-centered that you only care about your individual circumstance?

I don't know what you mean by looking for god interally. If god is the creator of the universe, how could he be inside me when I've been here only about a quarter of a century.

Yes, I'm grateful my family birthed and cared for me my life. I'm grateful I live in a mostly free society. There are plenty of real tangible things to be grateful for. Your claim that some supernatural being affects my life has not been demonstrated to be true. Just because I can breathe is only proof that I can inhale & exhale ... not what is the cause.

Again, with the lack of understanding in terms of other people. You can re-read what I posted above.

You don't know anyone's situation but your own so comparing your situation to anyone else's is completely pointless. That's what I'm trying to get you to understand.

You don't understand finding God internally? This doesn't surprise me. Nonbelievers are known to only know/believe what is directly in front of their faces. You'll never find God there. I suggest looking somewhere else.

And you say you are grateful? To whom or what? You don't care to know that answer? A few weeks ago someone sent a package to my house containing toys for my kids' birthdays which are a few weeks apart. However, the package gave no indication as to who sent it. All the papers and return addresses didn't contain this vital info. Eventually my wife had to put a message on facebook to see who would claim responsibility. Turns out it was my sister. We thanked her on facebook. Called and thanked her and let the kids thank her. Then the kids made thank you cards for her. And that was just for some toys, breh. Surely you have much more to be grateful for, yet you won't even take the time to educate yourself as to WHO to thank. You are certainly ungrateful.