Why Your Race Isn’t Genetic

[Poitier]

nikka what

I'm dead serious and so we are clear on the definition of

Multiculturalism is the cultural diversity of communities within a given society and the policies that promote this diversity. As a descriptive term, multiculturalism is the simple fact of cultural diversity and the demographic make-up of a specific place, sometimes at the organizational level, e.g., schools, businesses, neighborhoods, cities, or nations. As a prescriptive term, multiculturalism encourages ideologies and policies that promote this diversity or its institutionalization. In this sense, multiculturalism is a society “at ease with the rich tapestry of human life and the desire amongst people to express their own identity in the manner they see fit.”[1]

So for example, America would not qualify as there is a clear caste system like socioeconomic hierarchy and everything is segregated

Now go ahead, name a place where all ethnicities stand on equal ground?

 

[tmonster]

The African continent was significantly more stable before Cacs and (to a lesser extent) Arabs came.

are you rearranging/changing these conditions to your previous claims?

People who genetically cluster together.

No it isn't

indigenous Africans, Asians and Europeans clearly cluster away from each other

 

[tru_m.a.c]

I'm dead serious and so we are clear on the definition of




So for example, America would not qualify as there is a clear caste system like socioeconomic hierarchy and everything is segregated

Now go ahead, name a place where all ethnicities stand on equal ground?

Where in your definition is the term equality used?

 

[Digga38]

I think you can def separate humans by sub races....i dont know how you can see it differently

 

[Poitier]

are you rearranging/changing these conditions to your previous claims?

Asians and Europeans clusters closer than Africans but still do not overlap

Where in your definition is the term equality used?

Multiculturalism is the cultural diversity of communities within a given society and the policies that promote this diversity. As a descriptive term, multiculturalism is the simple fact of cultural diversity and the demographic make-up of a specific place, sometimes at the organizational level, e.g., schools,businesses, neighborhoods, cities, or nations. As a prescriptive term, multiculturalism encourages ideologies and policies that promote this diversity or its institutionalization. In this sense, multiculturalism is a society “at ease with the rich tapestry of human life and the desire amongst people to express their own identity in the manner they see fit.”[1]


Nowhere in America does this exist at the fed, state or city level

 

[tmonster]

Asians and Europeans clusters closer than Africans but still do not overlap

ok no problem

 

[Blackking]

Seems like this could apply to the orgin of the native american thread

Because this argument destroys those that were calling afrocebtrist smartdumb

 

[OneManGang]

My point was not that there is no separation one can make; only that the justification between calling any separation--like the ability to have fertile children--significant or not is culturally driven. There is no necessary reason any biological separation between groups must be driven down to the term "species" as opposed to some other label or no label at all. And by the way, there are species whom can have fertile children with other species. All members of the Canus "genus" can breed fertile offspring regardless of so-called "species". Human populations are not different species relative to each other, instead they are ethnicities and groups within the same species which one can further subpopulate.

I don't understand what that has to do with anything. All this article is saying is that race is not dictated on a genetic level for humans. Any argument you want to make on the validity of racial divisions is well and good as long as you don't try and use DNA differences in your argument. You might want to elaborate on your point about dogs and how that related to the discussion about human genetic ambiguity. Show me where dogs and wolves have been proven to be different species.

D1renegade's quest is not whether the differences are minute, but whether they exist and are predictive of different races and appearance. Obviously the latter is true. And the fact people physically adapt to geography is like the fact animals adapt to geography, it's a biological thing. But obviously our ultimate decision to "group" people into us vs. them is cultural and social. The Greeks in Southern Europe are different to the English in Northern Europe in appearance, average skin tone, etc. This difference is biological as well but some still call these people the same "race" or "ethnicity".

Of course changes are there, if they weren't we would all be the same organism. 100% similar DNA. We dont reproduce by binary fission. Every human person on this planet is made up of of like 99.9+% of the same genome. There is no statistical difference in your DNA and that of some dude in Bolivia right now. Thats why its a fools errand to try and use DNA (in human populations!) to enforce the idea of racial division.

A lot of posters in here (not you necessarily) are also confusing phenotypical differences with the underlying genotypical sameness that the article mentions.

 

[Blackking]

My point was not that there is no separation one can make; only that the justification between calling any separation--like the ability to have fertile children--significant or not is culturally driven. There is no necessary reason any biological separation between groups must be driven down to the term "species" as opposed to some other label or no label at all. And by the way, there are species whom can have fertile children with other species. All members of the Canus "genus" can breed fertile offspring regardless of so-called "species". Human populations are not different species relative to each other, instead they are ethnicities and groups within the same species which one can further subpopulate. At base whether we CHOOSE to group humans is social--like the reasons we separate everything is social--but that does not make such groups invalid.




@D1renegade's question is not whether the differences are minute, but whether they exist and are predictive of different races and appearance. Obviously the latter is true as he puts it. And the fact people physically adapt to geography is like the fact animals adapt to geography, it's a biological thing. But obviously our ultimate decision to "group" people into us vs. them is cultural and social. The Greeks in Southern Europe are different to the Finnish in Scandianavia in appearance, average skin tone, height, average and absolute hair and eye color, etc. This difference is biological as well (same as the difference between a European, African or Asian), but some will call the difference between a Greek and Finish person insignificant while calling the difference between those other groups significant. I just say "different ethnic groups".

It's sub_races. Idk why we shy away from these classifications.

 

[tru_m.a.c]

Asians and Europeans clusters closer than Africans but still do not overlap




Multiculturalism is the cultural diversity of communities within a given society and the policies that promote this diversity. As a descriptive term, multiculturalism is the simple fact of cultural diversity and the demographic make-up of a specific place, sometimes at the organizational level, e.g., schools,businesses, neighborhoods, cities, or nations. As a prescriptive term, multiculturalism encourages ideologies and policies that promote this diversity or its institutionalization. In this sense, multiculturalism is a society “at ease with the rich tapestry of human life and the desire amongst people to express their own identity in the manner they see fit.”[1]


Nowhere in America does this exist at the fed, state or city level

okay I'll play along....3 post ago I saw you playing this no true Scotsman fallacy

Queens is the epitome of multiculturalism
NYC is an example of multiculturalism
At the world level, this map portrays multiculturalism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/

Now please start your no true Scotsman fallacy about "real" multiculturalism...based on "true equality"....with a perfect 24/7 demonstration of being "at ease"

 

[Poitier]

okay I'll play along....3 post ago I saw you playing this no true Scotsman fallacy

Queens is the epitome of multiculturalism
NYC is an example of multiculturalism
At the world level, this map portrays multiculturalism: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...-most-and-least-ethnically-diverse-countries/

Now please start your no true Scotsman fallacy about "real" multiculturalism...based on "true equality"....with a perfect 24/7 demonstration of being "at ease"

NYC is one of the most segregated cities, including all the boroughs

As if I didn't live there for a significant amount of time

And that map you linked, shows America and Europe as homogenous... and it is using ethnicity, not race


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/15/new-york-city-segregation-map_n_5153739.html

http://danielkayhertz.com/2014/04/14/how-segregated-is-new-york-city/

http://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/...Kucsera-New-York-Extreme-Segregation-2014.pdf

http://www.antibiaslaw.com/new-york-city-residential-segregation

http://www.tenant.net/tengroup/Metcounc/Nov01/NYsegregated.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2010/09/color_map_of_new_york_city_by.html

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-failure-of-desegregation

 

[tru_m.a.c]

NYC is one of the most segregated cities, including all the boroughs

As if I didn't live there for a significant amount of time

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/15/new-york-city-segregation-map_n_5153739.html

http://danielkayhertz.com/2014/04/14/how-segregated-is-new-york-city/

http://civilrightsproject.ucla.edu/...Kucsera-New-York-Extreme-Segregation-2014.pdf

ollegebasketball.rivals.com/forum.asp?sid=1146&fid=2194&style=2

http://www.antibiaslaw.com/new-york-city-residential-segregation

http://www.tenant.net/tengroup/Metcounc/Nov01/NYsegregated.html

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2010/09/color_map_of_new_york_city_by.html

http://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/the-failure-of-desegregation

Oh my bad, I wasn't aware residential segregation meant that there was no multiculturalism at the school, business, neighborhood or city level

How do you use a fallacy after I already expose the error in using that fallacy?

Can you explain to me what your vision of multiculturalism looks like? It doesn't match with the actual definition.

Do realize, in your definition of multiculturalism there is no threshold for what constitutes diversity (don't worry I know you missed that). I knew you'd bring up residential segregation as if that is the equivalent to apartheid or complete isolation (i.e Native American reservations). It's a very. very. weak argument.

But since you want to bring up maps about shyt, there is one minor, tiny, non-important fact you missed: The borough of Queens in New York City is the most ethnically and religious diverse area, per capita, in the world.

http://traveltips.usatoday.com/queens-new-york-sightseeing-107156.html
http://www.newyork.com/articles/neighborhoods/queens-72876/
http://www.forbes.com/sites/trulia/2012/11/13/finding-diversity-in-america/

If that's not multiculturalism my nikka than what is?

 

[Poitier]

This dude is retarded


Residential? the links listed school, neighborhood and business segregation


And this dumbass keeps using ethnicity and religion when it is about race Africa is the most ethnically diverse continent but it still all Black folk


And I have no vision of multiculturalism aka a meritocracy where every race receives the same benefits from the fed and local government and all cultural difference are tolerated and residential communities are integrated

Everyone who actually lives/lived in NYC would laugh at you and a simple ride on any rail line would be empirical evidence of your stupidity

 

[Poitier]

Use religion and ethnicity as synonymous with race, brehs

The house nikkas who want to be underclass in a Cac society and call it "multiculturalism", go ahead but us real folk will build up our communities, countries and continent


Don't fall for it, people of color https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racial_democracy

 

[Serious]

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I'm still waiting