Wiggins was drafted based on defensive potential so why is he #73 on DRPM?

[Malta]

Who cares if I'm a Melo fan? What does that have to do with my criticism? I know Melo is a flawed player. Wiggins being an empty stats player is a fact though, many articles written on the subject. Dude has a lot of flaws in his game. He can't pass, his court vision and ball handling is poor. He put up 20 points on a high paced team and he isolated a ton. For a player of his usage his assists % is laughably bad and he's not a threat from distance. Sure he has room to grow but his ball handling and passing ability even at this age is concerning.

Hope this nikka turns out being better than Melo, just look at Melo's first two seasons.

George is longer he's grown since coming into the league, he's 6'10 with around a 7'1 wingspan. These nikkas acting like Georgie don't throw down 360 windmills in game, don't got ridiculous posters and don't catch more ankles than Wiggins. In terms of quickness George and Wiggins are comparable. This nikka Wiggins 6'7 with a 44 inch vert and barely gets 3 boards a game. Foh.

He's 21 and in his second season, of course he has flaws in his game, the projection is still the same though and he still has the potential to be elite defensively. You can't sit here and call a dude in his second year empty stats while having Melo as your avi and name, shyt don't work like that, because you wont level those same criticisms on a dude who been in the league for 13 years. His usage rate isn't very high either are you talking about? He has the 35th highest usage rate in the league (25.1) his apg total is right in line with Kawhi, Hayward and Klay Thompson who have usage rates between 24.2 and 24.9. See, this is why I bring up Melo, he has a historically top 5 usage rate and he's the only one in that company that has never averaged 5.0apg but Wiggins is the one with the high usage rate and low APG? Wiggins plays within his teams offense, period, his usage rate isn't even remotely high.

@ you just making up what his wingspan is, fact of the matter is Wiggins had a 7'0" wingspan while Paul had 6'11.25" wingspan. George was older than Wiggins was when they were drafted, so George grew but Wiggins hasn't?

 

[YourMajesty]

I been hearing Wiggins having lockdown defender potential for 3 years and counting and I ain't seen shyt.

He ain't consistent

 

[Houston911]

When

Vs harden last year

 

[Malta]

Vs harden last year

People gotta realize that Self did a terrible job with Wiggins too, he was quoted saying he didn't even know what he was after College.

Andrew Wiggins was often adrift in the halfcourt during his lone season at Kansas.

“I was just all over the place,” Wiggins said. “I didn't know my exact game.”

Self is horrible at developing wing players, if the Wolves get Thibs Wiggins will be a premier defender in 2 years.

 

[Flight]

He was suppose to be the best prospect since LeBron so yeah

They did? Because I saw Jabari on the cover on SI and they proclaimed him that and yet I don't see nearly as many Jabari threads.

 

[keepemup]

Way to lead off with one hell of a straw man. Good attempt. Did it illicit the responses you desired?

 

[Sccit]

The Warriors rely on analytics, hence all the 3s, and the fact they were one of the first teams to get VU cameras to track player movements. Nevermind the fact they've won awards for analytics

SMH IF U THINK THEY ONLY USE ANALYTICS

 

[Ethnic Vagina Finder]

Good lord ​

You answered your own question in the thread titlle

POTENTIAL

Not acutal. Not even eventual.

He wasn't a sure thing. And for the record he got drafted for his age and athleticism.

 

[ISO]

He's 21 and in his second season, of course he has flaws in his game, the projection is still the same though and he still has the potential to be elite defensively. You can't sit here and call a dude in his second year empty stats while having Melo as your avi and name, shyt don't work like that, because you wont level those same criticisms on a dude who been in the league for 13 years. His usage rate isn't very high either are you talking about? He has the 35th highest usage rate in the league (25.1) his apg total is right in line with Kawhi, Hayward and Klay Thompson who have usage rates between 24.2 and 24.9. See, this is why I bring up Melo, he has a historically top 5 usage rate and he's the only one in that company that has never averaged 5.0apg but Wiggins is the one with the high usage rate and low APG? Wiggins plays within his teams offense, period, his usage rate isn't even remotely high.

@ you just making up what his wingspan is, fact of the matter is Wiggins had a 7'0" wingspan while Paul had 6'11.25" wingspan. George was older than Wiggins was when they were drafted, so George grew but Wiggins hasn't?

Dawg, I don't give a fukk about Melo stop bringing him up...that's why I don't even talk ball on here because nikkas bring up strawman arguments and irrelevant bullshyt. Melo in his rookie season was better than Wiggins, Melo in college was better than Wiggins, Melo at Oak Hill was better than Wiggins, Melo in his second season was better than Wiggins and had already make the playoffs. Melo was an elite scorer and takeover player, multi-time All-Star, Scoring Champion, multiple 50+ win teams a Western Conference Finals appearance, Olympian, a very good player for over 10 years. All Wiggins is a projection at this point. Melo don't got nothing to do with this I know all his flaws, the defense, the shot selection and all that you don't gotta tell me.

Yes, I know he's young and I never said he couldn't be a good defender. Right now he's not though, George/Leonard were already + defenders at this stage. Wiggins struggles in the post because of his wiry frame, and is still lost in terms of pick and roll and help defense, he's solid on-ball but overall he's not a good defender. I'm not saying he can't be and won't be.

Wiggins usage rate is not 25.1. He had a 27.2 usage last season and yes that is a high number and had an assists percentage of 10.2. That's awful for a high usage wing, that assists percentage is comparable to centers like Robin Lopez, ball stoppers like Dion Waiters, and catch and shoot guys like Chase Budinger. Wiggins doesn't have court vision and struggles to read offenses and his lack of playmaking has a lot to do with his weak ball handling.

Hayward had a season where he averaged 5 assists and has averaged about 4 the last two seasons with 20%+ assists %, Melo averaged over 4 assists this season and had over 20% assists % this year, even Kawhi had higher assists % than Wiggins. Wiggins is a poor playmaker, period and is weak on the boards those are aspects you don't suddenly get better at.

George grew most player don't get taller George, Giannis and Durant are anomalies. George came in at 6'8 and is now 6'10, Giannis was 6'9 and now he's 6'11, Durant came in at 6'9 and is now 6'11. Given the growth in height I assumed his wingspan also grew since it's all linked. Wiggins has not grown he's probably gained weight he's still 6'8.

 

[Malta]

Dawg, I don't give a fukk about Melo stop bringing him up...that's why I don't even talk ball on here because nikkas bring up strawman arguments and irrelevant bullshyt. Melo in his rookie season was better than Wiggins, Melo in college was better than Wiggins, Melo at Oak Hill was better than Wiggins, Melo in his second season was better than Wiggins and had already make the playoffs. Melo was an elite scorer and takeover player, multi-time All-Star, Scoring Champion, multiple 50+ win teams a Western Conference Finals appearance, Olympian, a very good player for over 10 years. All Wiggins is a projection at this point. Melo don't got nothing to do with this I know all his flaws, the defense, the shot selection and all that you don't gotta tell me.

Claim you don't give a fukk about Melo, then go on to name all his accolades his career history dating back to HS.

Yes, I know he's young and I never said he couldn't be a good defender.

If you know he's young, why critique him like he doesn't have the potential to be good defensively? The tools are there to be elite, period. And yet again, George & Kawhi were older than he is now when they were in their 2nd seasons. And most importantly both had the luxury of focusing on defense first, much like Justise Winslow is doing now.​

Wiggins usage rate is not 25.1. He had a 27.2 usage last season and yes that is a high number and had an assists percentage of 10.2. That's awful for a high usage wing, that assists percentage is comparable to centers like Robin Lopez, ball stoppers like Dion Waiters, and catch and shoot guys like Chase Budinger. Wiggins doesn't have court vision and struggles to read offenses and his lack of playmaking has a lot to do with his weak ball handling.

Hollinger's NBA Player Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN​

25.1

Who said he had good court vision? I said he's right in line with other wing players in regards to his usage rate, you said he had a high rate and he doesn't

George grew most player don't get taller George, Giannis and Durant are anomalies. George came in at 6'8 and is now 6'10, Giannis was 6'9 and now he's 6'11, Durant came in at 6'9 and is now 6'11. Given the growth in height I assumed his wingspan also grew since it's all linked. Wiggins has not grown he's probably gained weight he's still 6'8.

Most players do get taller, since a great deal of the are drafted at 18-19 years old, and Wiggins was measured at 6'8.75.​

Why is he the same height as the 6'9" David West?

PG isn't 6'10" that was just some marketing hype, he's not the same height as Durant and he's not much taller if at all than Wiggins. You can't just sit here and say 1 guy grew, while flatly denying the other could have as well, especially since he was younger than George when he was drafted.

 

[ISO]

Claim you don't give a fukk about Melo, then go on to name all his accolades his career history dating back to HS.

If you know he's young, why critique him like he doesn't have the potential to be good defensively? The tools are there to be elite, period. And yet again, George & Kawhi were older than he is now when they were in their 2nd seasons. And most importantly both had the luxury of focusing on defense first, much like Justise Winslow is doing now.​

Hollinger's NBA Player Stats - ESPN Insider - National Basketball Association - ESPN​

25.1

Who said he had good court vision? I said he's right in line with other wing players in regards to his usage rate, you said he had a high rate and he doesn't

Most players do get taller, since a great deal of the are drafted at 18-19 years old, and Wiggins was measured at 6'8.75.​

Why is he the same height as the 6'9" David West?

PG isn't 6'10" that was just some marketing hype, he's not the same height as Durant and he's not much taller if at all than Wiggins. You can't just sit here and say 1 guy grew, while flatly denying the other could have as well, especially since he was younger than George when he was drafted.

Basketball-Reference has him at a 27.2 and it's the most credible basketball database there is. 25.1 or 27.2 regardless his assists percentage is trash and in line with 3&D players, ball stoppers, and big men not a guy with a 25% usage rate. Again, he severely lacks All-Around game if you're going to be an All-Time great you can't be averaging the rebounds and assists he does.

 

[954UAlreadyknow]

Wiggins is 21......

Usually takes players a few years before they become well rounded and start contributing to wins

Y'all gotta chill