Will America ever pay its workers a living wage?

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a friend of mine is traveling over Europe, they discovered through inquiry that McDonalds workers in Germany start out making around 600$ a week, free healthcare etc. All I see in this country are people complaining that fast food workers don't deserve more money, because they themselves aren't making a living wage. Don't you think everyone should be making a "living wage"? Would that not be a benefit to our society? Or will the fabric of our society completely collapse if we were to do such a dastardly thing?
 

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a friend of mine is traveling over Europe, they discovered through inquiry that McDonalds workers in Germany start out making around 600$ a week, free healthcare etc. All I see in this country are people complaining that fast food workers don't deserve more money, because they themselves aren't making a living wage. Don't you think everyone should be making a "living wage"? Would that not be a benefit to our society? Or will the fabric of our society completely collapse if we were to do such a dastardly thing?
Breh, we've made this thread 8 million times. You should've just searched and upped one :russ:
 

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Breh, we've made this thread 8 million times. You should've just searched and upped one :russ:
every thread has been made 8 million times on this forum, the only reason I made a new thread was because my friend texted me about how much german workers make, feel free to delete/merge/whatever.
 

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every thread has been made 8 million times on this forum, the only reason I made a new thread was because my friend texted me about how much german workers make, feel free to delete/merge/whatever.
Nah, the topic of Germany specifically has been made...not sure why you seem a bit salty breh breh:ld:. I obviously going to let it rock

As for Germany, that's a result of collective bargaining across industries. They're just now implementing a minimum wage. As I was saying @Sensitive Blake Griffin , your title is a misnomer. Germany is JUST NOW setting up a wage floor. The better question would be when are we going to strengthen collective bargaining rights....

Germany and the Minimum Wage

The federal minimum wage of $7.25 an hour is obviously too low. So is the Democrats’ proposed increase to $10.10 an hour by 2016. If the minimum wage had merely kept pace over time with inflation, average wages or productivity growth, it would be between $11 an hour and $18 an hour today.

It would also be higher if it kept pace with what other advanced economies are prepared to pay.

Last week, the lower house of Parliament in Germany voted to set a nationwide minimum wage of 8.50 euros an hour, about $11.60, effective in 2015. The upper house is expected to approve the measure this week. With the passage of it, Germany, France, Britain and the Netherlands have or soon will have higher minimum wages than the current and proposed minimums in the United States, and only six countries in the European Union will be without a statutory minimum wage: Austria, Cyprus, Denmark, Finland, Italy and Sweden.

The expected German minimum is noteworthy not only for its level. For nearly 70 years, most wages in Germany have been set by agreements that are collectively bargained between unions and employers. In recent decades, however, and particularly following reunification with the former East Germany, the share of workers who are effectively covered by union agreements has fallen. By enacting an adequate minimum wage, the German Parliament is responding constructively to that development, because a solid wage floor ensures that economic growth is broadly shared even by those who fall outside the collectively bargained framework.

In a global economy that has long relied on low wages to lift profits, a relatively high minimum wage in Germany would also reflect a growing consensus there that a high-wage, high-productivity economy is, in fact, an advantage in stabilizing the nation economically and socially.

In Germany, as in the United States, business lobbyists and some economists have warned that a robust minimum wage will lead to job losses and higher prices, but that has not been the historical experience. Rather, higher wages for low-wage workers are generally offset by lower labor turnover, while the boost in consumer spending from higher wages is good for the economy. Boosting consumer demand is especially important in Germany, whose economy is overly reliant on exports.

Germany’s move offers the United States important lessons, if only lawmakers in Washington would learn.
 

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Factory jobs left Germany in droves because of those policies.

The answer isn't to pay more. It's to equip everyone with the knowledge and skills to earn more. There should be free college/trade schools and heavy investment into job placement.
 

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It's called the law of supply and demand, European countries tend to have a shortage of workers, America has literally millions of people arriving every year that will work for anything
This is exactly why illegal immigration is bad, because the influx of laborers, depresses wages...
 

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Doesn't really seem realistic for our economy, IMO. But I don't see any reason not to have a reasonable min wage like $10/hr or something.

Factory jobs left Germany in droves because of those policies.

The answer isn't to pay more. It's to equip everyone with the knowledge and skills to earn more. There should be free college/trade schools and heavy investment into job placement.

That's not a realistic solution either...you give everybody a Master's Degree and you're just gonna have nyggas with Master's Degrees working at McDonalds. You can give people all the education and skills you want but there never going to be enough "well-paying" jobs for everybody. There are always going to be people working these types of jobs.

I'd say the best we can do is have a decent social safety net and socializied healthcare so that people have access to basic necessities regardless of income.
 

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It's called the law of supply and demand, European countries tend to have a shortage of workers, America has literally millions of people arriving every year that will work for anything

:what:

Germany doesn't even have full employment so how can this be a case of supply and demand.
 

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Doesn't really seem realistic for our economy, IMO. But I don't see any reason not to have a reasonable min wage like $10/hr or something.



That's not a realistic solution either...you give everybody a Master's Degree and you're just gonna have nyggas with Master's Degrees working at McDonalds. You can give people all the education and skills you want but there never going to be enough "well-paying" jobs for everybody. There are always going to be people working these types of jobs.

I'd say the best we can do is have a decent social safety net and socializied healthcare so that people have access to basic necessities regardless of income.
Why is 10$ reasonable and 15$ isn't? Or is it reasonable in some areas of the country and not others? I think there could be some algorithm that adds in a bunch of factors that determines the "living wage" of an area, hell, America is so diverse in terms of cost of livings we'd damn near have to go county by county. 10$ an hour goes way further here in Louisville than it does in California or New York.
 

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Why is 10$ reasonable and 15$ isn't? Or is it reasonable in some areas of the country and not others? I think there could be some algorithm that adds in a bunch of factors that determines the "living wage" of an area, hell, America is so diverse in terms of cost of livings we'd damn near have to go county by county. 10$ an hour goes way further here in Louisville than it does in California or New York.

thats my fav atheist :to:

should take into factor rent cost/utlities/gas/state taxes etc. for min wage, 10 dollars a hour in boise idaho where you can rent a studio for like 500, hell buffalo and new york city same state but a studio in nyc is like 2,500 for rent, 2500 for rent in buffalo can rent a 3,000 sq foot house
 

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Germany doesn't even have full employment so how can this be a case of supply and demand.

I'm not even sure what you mean by full employment, or what that means, so I never said that, what I said is that most Europeans countries including Germany have labor shortages, if you have a shortage of labor you have higher wages

There is no reason for wages to rise if you have excess workers

On the other hand a lot of European countries have stagnant economies and high unemployment

On the other hand they have dying populations because of low immigration

The point is there is no win win, there is a cost to everything
 

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I'm not even sure what you mean by full employment, or what that means, so I never said that, what I said is that most Europeans countries including Germany have labor shortages, if you have a shortage of labor you have higher wages

There is no reason for wages to rise if you have excess workers

On the other hand a lot of European countries have stagnant economies and high unemployment

On the other hand they have dying populations because of low immigration

The point is there is no win win, there is a cost to everything
they have a shortage of "skilled" labor, I'm talking about simply working at McDonalds
 
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