Women , Hip-Hop, & Music

[Remy Danton]

Question for the coli brehs/brehettes

What are your thoughts on people who state that:

"women have no place in hip-hop"
"female emcees are wack"
"i dont want to hear no woman sounding like a dude spitting"


Personally i think its a bit chauvinistic

Thoughts?

side-note: has anybody ever realize, that hip-hop may possibly be the alot genre where this is done?

thoughts ladies @Elle Driver @MekaCatt @Phoenix_Knightly23 @Rawtid @yeahisaidit @innocentdevil

also the OGS like @Art Barr @The HONORABLE SKJ @feelosofer thoughts?

 

[AAKing23]

Women can be dope spitters just as men can and they can do it without sounding like a nikka



They just need more of a feminine tact when they do it

 

[Remy Danton]

Women can be dope spitters just as men can and they can do it without sounding like a nikka



They just need more of a feminine tact when they do it

not to spend my own thread but who would you consider dope?

 

[Spoonz]

A lot of men just cant relate to female rappers. But overall it's just a more masculine genre so women have to understand they're not going to be 100% accepted. A lot of men just dont like listening to female musicians in general even when they're talented.

 

[AAKing23]

not to spend my own thread but who would you consider dope?

I really liked the classic female artists like Lauryn Hill, Queen Latifa, MC Lyte, Salt n Pepa


Nicki Minaj can actually rap but she come off masculine too much

 

[Elle Driver]

I feel like hip hop is male centered and dominated, so if you're gonna be a female you need to keep your femininity and solidify your spot without compromising that. I don't really care what nikkas have to say about whether or not women have a place in hip hop, cause at the end of the day Lauryn Hill is top 10 dead or alive to me and released one of the greatest albums in hip hop history.

 

[King Poetic]

depends on the women

Mc Lyte & Queen Latifah, jean grae i like

the rest of them especially today lady rappers are gimmicks and they know it.. but its not even about skills and talent anyway anymore, so it don't matter rap is a dying culture and we are the ones who did it

 

[IronFist]

Loool i see you back at it. Y'KNOW I HAVE TO TOUCH ON THIS

The state of hip-hop is hella deep and i think brothers like Black Dot & Krs One brokedown the science of this in their books (Black Dots' Hip-Hop Decoded and Krs-One's Gospel Of Hip-Hop) and its relation to Ancient Egypt

The graffiti is a form of Hieroglyphics so you have guys like Banksy (even though banksy is more of a wheatpaster than graffiti), Mear One outta San Fran, Daim out of London. etc.

The Egyptian Dances can be seen as the breakdancers...so when you think of this you think of the Rock Steady Crew and Crazy Legs or Elsewhere (white boy that pop-locks)

then you have the stories you the Emcee. So The MC would be KRS ONE, Bahamadia, Jean Grae, NYOil, Planet Asia, Del Tha Funkee Homosapien, Vinnie Paz, MC Lyte.

I think cats in hip-hop do this alot why i dont know, but we have to understand with the iambic permeter and rhyme prose poetry birthed hip-hop. Like it or Not i agree with a point you made when you said it being the only genre...that does this.

Im eclectic and my listening ear is extensive: I could find myself listening to The Weeknd, Planet Asia, Mitchy Slick, Issac Hayes, Goapele, Sade (yes i listen to Sade and what?!! ), to John Coltrane or Tina Brooks or Thelonious Monk

But I never heard John Coltrane share such a view as it pertain to such a female jazz player (Shirley Scott for example)
Hell i never Heard heavy metal bands like Pantera or Slipknot have such a view.

Even if You take it all the way back to poetry i never read/heard James Baldwin go there with a female and say "youre contribution aint worth shyt" to someone like a Sonia Sanchez (i love that sister )

Nowadays you have sisters that would embarrass the shyt outta some of these dudes PRIME EXAMPLE:

Lauryn Hill was a prime example of this (I think this is what spark the whole Jeru Tha Damaja nonsense)

Another Being Jean Grae --Pay attention to Jean Grae and NORE comments:



Or Bahamadia (The fact that she was once in a group compose of 10 men called Army Of Pharaohs with Vinnie Paz of Jedi Mind Tricks and Celph Titled and 7L & Esoteric and held her own and once affiliate with GURU (RIP) says something in my opinion.

First verse & Last verse



There are a bunch of others out there on the Underground like

Luminous Flux,



BeOne,

Narubi Selah



Bliss from Ascended Masters,




Snow Tha Product (here verse starts at 3:26)



and dont forget my sugar mama @Ensi

 

[IronFist]

depends on the women

Mc Lyte & Queen Latifah, jean grae i like

the rest of them especially today lady rappers are gimmicks and they know it.. but its not even about skills and talent anyway anymore, so it don't matter rap is a dying culture and we are the ones who did it

finding it more of a thing to promote sex.....especially with Nicki Minaj who i think is one dimensional. I Forgot to mention Eve (there was this one song she had with Nate Dogg & Snoop i liked not to mention songs like love is blind where she talking about some real ish)

Nicki Minaj: Is it you never ball / John Salley

 

[Soundbwoy]

lauren hill, jean greasy

 

[Remy Danton]

I feel like hip hop is male centered and dominated, so if you're gonna be a female you need to keep your femininity and solidify your spot without compromising that. I don't really care what nikkas have to say about whether or not women have a place in hip hop, cause at the end of the day Lauryn Hill is top 10 dead or alive to me and released one of the greatest albums in hip hop history.

she didnt earn those seven grammys for nothing.

 

[Elle Driver]

she didnt earn those seven grammys for nothing.

Grammys don't mean shyt breh, the GOAT Nas hasn't won any.

 

[Remy Danton]

depends on the women

Mc Lyte & Queen Latifah, jean grae i like

the rest of them especially today lady rappers are gimmicks and they know it.. but its not even about skills and talent anyway anymore, so it don't matter rap is a dying culture and we are the ones who did it

As it pertains to women i think its a bit misogynistic how the female rapper is view. I need you to expound on the latter part of your comment.

 

[Remy Danton]

Grammys don't mean shyt breh, the GOAT Nas hasn't won any.

any....yet breh. any yet.

Positive Thoughts Breh

 

[Poh SIti Dawn]

Every culture is chauvinistic so let's not segregate hip hop.

Do I think females can be dope spitters? Yes. I like Kim, Foxy Brown, Mc Lyte, Da Brat, Latifah, Yo-Yo, and a few other ones with mild success.

Do I think females belong in hip hop? Of course.

I think that females in the 90's and 80's were strong, like if they were to have a baby and no baby father they'd just say that nikka ain't shyt and keep it moving. Stronger than most of these men. But now a days it seems like women are more into being feminine and relying on men because of society's inequalities.

Like in the 90's, I could punch a woman. Now a days I wouldn't even thinking of it.