Word....the nerds are invading the NBA

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

If you wanna draw comparisons out of it, as me basically saying "science experiments are worthless until they find a cure for cancer" - than these bullshyt ass metrics are like an Oncologist parading around a homeopathic remedy that knowingly doesn't work.

 

[Sohh_lifted]

marlins have won 2

like dude said 1st squad was paid for. 2nd squad had becket, , pavano, aj burnett,

2003 Florida Marlins season - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


squad was stacked top to bottom with all dudes in their prime or just coming in the league on fire.

 

[HiphopRelated]

To me advanced statistics won't be worth anything until they can measure a big man's defensive impact accordingly:

shots adjusted, passes deflected/intercepted, blocks and pockets picked on both perimeter/frontcourt players, points allowed through mis-rotation or being directly scored upon, how many times he's in isolation either in the post or perimeter, how many times he effectively plays help defense + the # of different attackers in one play he limits, how many times he has to deal with funneled attackers, how many times he has to deal with his man + stunt'n and helpin on teammate's man, how many times his hedging allows his teammate to recover, how many times he's successful at breaking up/guarding pick and rolls, how many times he closes out on pick and pops, how many times he forces players to a bad spot on the floor, how many times he boxes out offensive players when in the paint, how many times he aids defenders, how many times his direct opposite scores on him, how many times he shrinks space in the paint, how many times he traps perimeter players, how many times he forces the attacker into a bad decision, how many times he's inactive on the defensive end etc etc.

And they find a formula that can accurately calculate all that into an individual performance-stat for that player.

I'm pretty sure some teams already do that, I remember the Heat keep track of some ridiculous number of shyt.

It's just not shyt that will be released for free since it's labour intensive work requiring hours of tape review and kept for in house use.

 

[Danny Up]

I don't really see how it's a bad thing at all. It's a far more accurate evaluation (nowhere near perfect, however) of a player's performance.

Like many have said, it's already happened in baseball. Baseball fans/GMs would look at a guy's RBI's, batting percentage, and HR's and think those were the end all be all of evaluating a player. The advanced stats brought context to those numbers.

It's the same with basketball. Fans still look at PPG to tell you how good someone is on offense. Or blocks/steals to figure out what kinda defender someone is. This doesn't take any context into account such as how many shots they take, how many shots they affect on defense, etc.

It's happening in football too with Pro Football Focus. Context is being brought to stats so it's not just oh, receiver A is better than receiver B because he had more yards and catches.

It's not accurate. it's far too many variables to weigh. Just like looking at boxscores none of that tells the whole story.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

I'm pretty sure some teams already do that, I remember the Heat keep track of some ridiculous number of shyt.

It's just not shyt that will be released for free since it's labour intensive work requiring hours of tape review and kept for in house use.

That's part of my point - that's why nothing less of that really has any value or significance. And I by no means expect them to be trotting that shyt out in public, revealing idiosyncrasies/tendencies of players (it'd be counter-productive). But it's what's sold to us in the meanwhile, as some sort of next level type thinking shyt.

 

[HiphopRelated]

That's part of my point - that's why nothing less of that really has any value or significance. And I by no means expect them to be trotting that shyt out in public, revealing idiosyncrasies/tendencies of players (it'd be counter-productive). But it's what's sold to us in the meanwhile, as some sort of next level type thinking shyt.

oh ok, I see what you're saying