Would you agree that 50 Cent started the downfall of hip-hop?

[Kool Herc]

 

[JYoung24]

And I'm talking about when he went mainstream, not underground 50.

Sure, Ja Rule doing a song/video set in a carnival to Grease was not a good look, and ppl(myself included) were getting tired of him at that point and the singing on every hook. But hey, he was selling records....

So when 50 came along and dissed Ja as a fake, since everybody was tired of Ja at that point, everybody jumped on 50's bandwagon, like "yeah Ja Rule!!!". 50 was going around dissing everybody and ppl thought 50 was gonna bring "real" rap music back to the forefront. People thought he was gonna bring that level of realness that 2Pac seemed to carry, and him being shot up before played into that. Fat Joe, Nas, Jada.....all those dudes were making good music back then.....but when 50 started dissin them, alot of ppl stopped rockin with their music too.

But the problem is 50 then didn't deliver musically, himself. GRODT was a good album, not a classic IMO.....and the G-Unit album was really good....maybe a classic....but then what? The Massacre wasn't all that, and 50 was singing on hooks like he was previously criticizing Ja for doing.

So now, you killed off damn near every other rapper from NY(except for Jay) and now you yourself aren't really good enough to be able to carry the genre on your back........which ultimately left a spot open and in walked stuff like "snap music"


I will give him credit though for squashing his chilidish beefs and working with Fat Joe and Jada now, b/c ultimately that's what it's gonna take to bring hip-hop, especially NY rap back to being important. I still think 50 is dope at times, but he's not "best in the game" dope to be able to carry the genre.

I agree with almost everything but he didnt kill off nas or jada

 

[Trillion]

And I'm talking about when he went mainstream, not underground 50.


So now, you killed off damn near every other rapper from NY(except for Jay) and now you yourself aren't really good enough to be able to carry the genre on your back........which ultimately left a spot open and in walked stuff like "snap music"

FACT

 

[keond]

For someone who dominated his era, i never have had the desire to revisit his catalog. Ironically, the only other so called King of his era that I dont ever listen to is Ja Rule. 50 came at a perfect time, everyone was sick of Murder Inc. I remember the backlash from the BET awards where Ja literally had 3 performances. Then 50 came along and cleansed the palate, but he was never that dude on the mic. His aura overshadowed his music. He was the first rapper to talk about his "brand" and to literally tell you the corporate mechanisms behind his actions.

I agree with the OP

 

[SunZoo]

Wrong on just about everything IMO.

Puffy pulled several moves that opened the flood gates for all kinds of shyt, including 50's sales jargon, don't be mad at that nikka for the smash and grab.

- Wack nikkas being able to deflect being wack on you being a "hater"
- Furthering the genre bending and blending of Hip Hop and R&B that has painted both genres in a corner.
- Setting precedents for nikkas who aren't really MC's being able to take center stage and have credibility.

There's more, but this pizza > this thread.

No but he did kill hiphop message board conversation.

50 gave credibility to all of Eminems white fans who thought wrestling was on some WWE shyt.

It still affects hiphop topics on forums like this today

 

[BrothaZay]

Catering to females
ATL
Suge Knight
Record Labels
just a few factors

 

[feelosofer]

No, he wasn't the cause of the disease but a symptom.

 

[Cole Cash]

no and here is why. when he was on top the fukkery and fun was so much fukkin fun it could only go down from there. 50 wasnt afriad to go at anyone and the fact that he was an A list rapper at the time it made it so other rappers had to respond weather they wanted to or not (dont body yaself)

without 50 there is no "CURTISSSSS" without 50 there is no window shopper, without 50 there is no problem child. without 50 there is no hilarious styles p skits and mixtapes dedicated to him.

50s reign made him a target, none of this "diss me and you wont get a response" he wasnt afraid to go on bet/mtv and use it as his platform to get at anyone.

50 was the greatest heel hip hop ever saw, he made himself a target while on top, something alot of these nikkas dont do until they are bitter and older.

also something you are forgetting. 50s reign saw an era of stannery that isnt matched to this day, how many of yall were on the IC Gunit forum? THE nikka HAD SO MUCH HATE HE NEEDED HIS OWN GODDAMN FORUM ON THE GOAT IC MESSAGEBOARD.

Dipset stans, nas stans, jigga warriors, to a lesser extent, d block stans, shyt even fukking az stand were all targets. fukkery on the gunit mixtapes was intense.

na man. i didint appreciate 50s reign until about 2008 when it was coming down and what replaced him was much much worse. id kill to have someone like 50 back on top.

 

[Kill Dat Noize]

The most damaging thing that 50 brought to the game was the whole talk and notion of

RECORD SALES = Quality

Eh I dunno, Pac was braggin about record sales on Hit Em Up and usin it as ammo against Bad Boy.

And don't forget Jigga's role in this either. It used to be the hottest MC was the one spittin the hottest rhymes but once Jigga came into the fray all of a sudden the hottest MC was the one who was makin the most paper.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Did ya'll forget Farrakhan had 50 and Ja talking to each other ON THE RADIO WHICH WAS NATIONALLY BROADCAST to crush that beef?

50 was on some serious bullshyt.

 

[Big Boss]

He brought a lot of aggressive content

 

[dubsmith_nz]

I hate when cats say 50 wasn't singing until he blew up. He was clowning Ja for trying to hold his own with Mary J Blige on records, not harmonising like Big, Pac and countless others had done in the past.



Pre GRODT and still one of 50s dopest hooks.

Like duke said above, the worst thing 50 brought to the game was the emphasis on sales and charts, and also the level of success he was able to attain made everything else seem small in comparison.