Would you choose: an atomized/"Integration mad" Black America that is economically and socially equal or a solid Black community with consistent gains

[DrBanneker]

For context, you are granted an instant wish that would transform Black America overnight:

Option #1: Black Americans would instantly become economically and socially equal with Whites. However, any sense of Black American solidarity or community would rapidly dissipate and only hyper-individualism remains with Black Americans, especially the more educated/well-off, overwhelmingly choosing unapologetic full integration in all ways with Whites. Also, the Overton window shifts so c00ning is just a normalized and accepted part of the spectrum.

Black folks start to act like White folks in most ways including heavy MAGA support

Option #2: The disparities we have still exist, however, the Black community gets collectively back on code and rapidly forms and implements plans to rebuild families and communities and then strive for continuous improvement in our economic, political, and social condition, though it will take time, that will bring us close to equality but maintain our distinctiveness.

This came up from some things and discussions I had recently but I will leave my own thoughts for later.

 

[Vandelay]

I choose option 2, but in option 1 can black people select other black people like white people select other white people; the cut of their jib, college fraternity, because someone married into the family?

Not for the c00ning, but I always feel there's gonna be a certain level of it, even in option 2. At least opportunity is immediately plentiful in option 1.

I think option 1 happens to an extent now, but what happens the family often times turn into future Caucasians because black people often with a certain level success pull away from the community; not even always deliberately, but opportunities are more plentiful around white people so it just happens chasing the bag.

 

[jj23]

Explain

Equal but assimilated and accepted c00nery

To me that is a contradiction in itself, but you may be able to explain better.

 

[Seoul Gleou]

If we've assimilated into whiteness, we wouldnt even know we're c00ning

C00ning is visible because it is a direct contradiction to blackness. If blackness doesnt exist, c00ning doesnt either.

 

[HarlemHottie]

Option 2, no quibbling.

There's a strong correlation between c00ning and atomization bc, with no group plan, ppl start going for their own personal side deals.

 

[Gritsngravy]

You can do more in option two

 

[Ghost Utmost]

Option 2 is what we should do in real life anyway.

Doesn't really take a wish or magic either. We could just start doing it.

 

[Wiseborn]

For context, you are granted an instant wish that would transform Black America overnight:

Option #1: Black Americans would instantly become economically and socially equal with Whites. However, any sense of Black American solidarity or community would rapidly dissipate and only hyper-individualism remains with Black Americans, especially the more educated/well-off, overwhelmingly choosing unapologetic full integration in all ways with Whites. Also, the Overton window shifts so c00ning is just a normalized and accepted part of the spectrum.

Black folks start to act like White folks in most ways including heavy MAGA support

Option #2: The disparities we have still exist, however, the Black community gets collectively back on code and rapidly forms and implements plans to rebuild families and communities and then strive for continuous improvement in our economic, political, and social condition, though it will take time, that will bring us close to equality but maintain our distinctiveness.

This came up from some things and discussions I had recently but I will leave my own thoughts for later.

It has to be option# 2 because that's the way white people want it, They do not want full intergration

 

[invalid]

my objective for black people in this country is to ascertain a level of power on par with the jews. I don't believe that can be done with option one. so if that means with option two we can make steady gains with respect to that, then that is my option. atomization and assimilation may increase economic position but it dilutes collective power which is the ultimate goal for me. it is something that would be foolish to divest of in lieu of economic gain.

 

[Justin Nitsuj]

I chose option two because guess who are the actual people that really made America into the superpowered country and left alone completely, they will be having thriving communities all over the country while the other weak losers who rather steal and destroy instead of building their own shyt.

 

[Inokja]

Option 2 has a higher base ceiling than option 1, with potential to scale up even higher. Option 1 is a dead end strategy.

 

[CopiousX]

For context, you are granted an instant wish that would transform Black America overnight:

Option #1: Black Americans would instantly become economically and socially equal with Whites. However, any sense of Black American solidarity or community would rapidly dissipate and only hyper-individualism remains with Black Americans, especially the more educated/well-off, overwhelmingly choosing unapologetic full integration in all ways with Whites. Also, the Overton window shifts so c00ning is just a normalized and accepted part of the spectrum.

Black folks start to act like White folks in most ways including heavy MAGA support

Option #2: The disparities we have still exist, however, the Black community gets collectively back on code and rapidly forms and implements plans to rebuild families and communities and then strive for continuous improvement in our economic, political, and social condition, though it will take time, that will bring us close to equality but maintain our distinctiveness.

This came up from some things and discussions I had recently but I will leave my own thoughts for later.

Option 1 easily. Its a choice between Singapore and South Africa.


I would like to draw an analogy to Singapore.

At independence, Singapore had harsh ethnic tensions with both religious and racial differences among its population. They chose the first option, and opted for broadbased prosperity for all citizens irrespective of them being muslim malay, buhdist chinese, hinudu tamil or cacs . Rather than all the ethnicities balkanizing within one dysfunctional country , Singapore took the path of actively stopping ethnic enclaves and stopping power concentration within any groups. The end result was one prosperous country which amalgamated into a single, unique culture. It's to the extent that all four ethnicities are When dealing with people from their motherlands. But they are ecomically whole and in better shape than motherlanders.


The second option sounds a lot like South Africa or even Zimbabwe. And we all know how that story ended with a broken and stalled country. Yes the black south africans are on code and in political ascendency but they are still suffering economically . I think it's a wishful thinking to assume that political and social solidarity magically transitions into a better condition for black people. I challenge the assumption that it will work with time. You got to chase the economic equality first.

 

[Amo Husserl]

Option #1: Black Americans would instantly become economically and socially equal with Whites. However, any sense of Black American solidarity or community would rapidly dissipate and only hyper-individualism remains with Black Americans, especially the more educated/well-off, overwhelmingly choosing unapologetic full integration in all ways with Whites. Also, the Overton window shifts so c00ning is just a normalized and accepted part of the spectrum.

Black folks start to act like White folks in most ways including heavy MAGA support

We already have a weak version of this now without the economic equality and overwhelming MAGA support.

Option #2: The disparities we have still exist, however, the Black community gets collectively back on code and rapidly forms and implements plans to rebuild families and communities and then strive for continuous improvement in our economic, political, and social condition, though it will take time, that will bring us close to equality but maintain our distinctiveness.

This is already occurring due to the weak version of the first option.


Why are you asking this question?

 

[Inokja]

Option 1 easily. Its a choice between Singapore and South Africa.

The second option sounds a lot like South Africa or even Zimbabwe. And we all know how that story ended with a broken and stalled country. Yes the black south africans are on code and in political ascendency but they are still suffering economically . I think it's a wishful thinking to assume that political and social solidarity magically transitions into a better condition for black people. I challenge the assumption that it will work with time. You got to chase the economic equality first.

OP added in some psychological qualifiers to Option 1 though. You can have economic success, but if the psychology is compromized on a collective lvl with respect to group organization, this "prosperous" group will still be doing #oscarssowhite type campaigns all the way in 2050.
An assimilated group which OP describes would be hardpressed to do any self determination as a community and it would getvworse with each generation.

Youd have exponentially more "i no blacks", and "i'm just an american, not black american" types walking around. You cant build with thosevtypes. And despite this prosperity there will be no black wall streets or anything of the sort, and if so, they will be compromised in some fashion.

 

[Tair]

Option #1.

With option #2, given enough time that group's singular focus will dissipate as it did in the days of old. I am not trusting something that relies on people staying the course, especially given outside pressures and underhanded tactics.

The only way option #2 works is if that group already has some power and control over their terrain. It could work in any African country, but I doubt it could in the U.S.

Give us the money.