Elim Garak
Veteran
Why thanks you are such a thoughtful young man not having a alias is just an excuse for lack of imagination.I respect this attempt at a refreshing and different alias
WOW... Liberal Mainstream Media Completely Flips On Hillary Clinton
- Thread starter Prince.Skeletor
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The Democratic nominee would have to fukk it pretty bad given the 2012 electoral map. The popularity of the GOP in national elections has been waning. They have only won the popular vote once in the last 6 election cycles. The only reason they are still relevant is because the Democratic base for whatever reason doesn't vote during the mid terms.
Lol at using a previous election cycle to predict 2016..Did you not learn from 1992? 2000? 2008? In every case the incumbent party lost that year's elections and in the previous years the incumbent party routed the electoral map. All you have to do is look at Bush digging in Kerry's ass in '04. Popularity of GOP hasnt been waning in national elections the 2010, 2012, and 2014 U.S. congressional elections of republicans taking over the house and senate dispels your theory..I know you coliberals want to relegate the GOP to a regional party but thats not how politics work in this country. Dem base wont be strong enough in swing states in 2016 to put Clinton or Biden in the white house.
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I disagree Immigration in 2016 wont be much of a salient voting issue for the democratic base that Dems need to turnout in droves to win..Meaning the voting population of blacks, women, 18-29 year olds and LGBTQ wont make upr their mind to vote based on immigration issues...And I actually think SCOTUS strking down the subsidy provision would help Dems because in 2016 the tax penalty for not having health insurance is 695$ or 2.5% of income and that will disproportionately effects blacks and latinos, especially in the swing states that dont have state exchanges
I agree with you on the subisdy provision. Thats what i meant by claiming that will Helps Dems and hurt the GOP.
But the immigration issue was a postive impact for Obama when he auhorized the temp stay for the undocumented immigrants. The latino population loved it and they will come out in droves if Dems make this an important issue in 2016.
GOP knows the latino support is imperative. They said it themsleves after 2012.
Prince.Skeletor
Don’t Be Like He-Man
Wow this is not how i expected this thread to go
You are assessing the strength of the GOP in national elections based on midterm elections. This is the same mistake GOP pollsters made in the 2012 elections. The GOP has only won 1/6 of the last six popular votes in presidential elections.
I will admit that the trend is to vote for the opposing party every eight years or so, But, I think the failure of theBush administration in economics and foreign policy is such that unless the GOP can disavow itself from those policies, it won't be able to flip enough states to win the election.
And everything that we have seen or heard indicates the GOP candidates will double down on far right wing policies in the primaries which will make it extremely difficult to pivot in the general elections.
This is the internet age. The flim-flam Bush and Rove were able to pull in the 2000(compassionate conservatism) and 2004(war on terror) elections are not going to fly in 2016. Especially if the economy keeps improving. Americans know they fukked up royally in 2000.
which latino population though? Because I assure you that Cubans that vote in south florida which is the most important latino vote in 2016 will vote for Jeb Bush in droves if he is the nominee. And dont forget Jeb will march his latino wife and son in front of that group to get more of their vote to neutralize whatever latino votes the democrats turnout
I never said the GOP will win SOLEY due to the mid-terms my point is that your notion of the GOP waning in national elections is false and the midterms points to this..And of course everything that your going to see so far from the GOP is far right rhetoric just like when the Dems stop p*ssy footing and announce your gonna hear far left rhetoric. shyt Obama in '08 was very far left with his ideals (shutting down gitmo, universal healthcare, etc) and then he ran back to the center during the general '08 election. If Jeb is the nominee he will be masterful in campaigning at the center during the general election
Hey, you may be right. One thing I never underestimate is the stupidity of so-called independent voters. But if it is Bush vs Clinton, I think the Bush fatigue weighs heavier than the Clinton fatigue.
But then again, I don't think Hilary is the same politician as Bill or Obama. That alone gives me pause especially if Jeb is a much more skilled politician than Romney or McCain.
I still give the odds to Hilary though if i was abetting man.
Im from Florida trust me Jeb is a policy wonk and much different stylistically from his brother and father..His brand of politics will appeal to the independent voter and his name alone will get the far right conservatives to vote for him in the swing states..If clinton doesnt have any formidable opponents in the democratic primaries Bush will expose her.. And lets not forget that the 501C4 political organizations will throw almost a billion in dark money to expose Clinton even more in the general
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She'll be fine and still become President.
Elim Garak
Veteran
I cannot stand this man that's why I helped arrest and execute his father.