Wrestling Real Talk.

[showtime]

I think DDB means a relative boom, like in the line graph of interest in WWE we're at one of the peaks but it's just not as high of a peak as the late 1990's.

I don't fully agree with that because I think we still have a long way up to go.

This decade is still cobbling together an identity, which the 1990's just came pre-packaged with. The 1990's were all about being edgy and rebellious. The 2010's are all about ... ??

I dont know if WWE Can answer that question, but that might be the only way to get as big of a boom as the Attitude era was ever again.

This era is nowhere near a boom period and is not one of the peaks. This era is more comparable to the great depression then a boom period.

 

[El Cocodrilo]

This era is nowhere near a boom period and is not one of the peaks. This era is more comparable to the great depression then a boom period.

I'd liken it more to the recovery period at the end of the great depression; where it's still technically the great depression but everything's slowly being built up to be good again.

 

[Rayzah]

These statements are all wrong. First off of course The Rock is not the same as he was 10 fukkin years ago NOBODY is. Part of the reason is u grew up, some stuff is not as cool now as once when u were a kid. Plus you're not gonna get Hollywood Rock anytime soon because The Rock is making movies. Most wrestling fans are nerds and won't go see The Rock's movie if he's a heel because it's real to them. If wrestling fans could realize it's a fukking tv show maybe they would enjoy it better.

How is this a boom period when ratings are down and interest in the WWE is at almost an all-time low? The boom period for wrestling was 1998-2000.

What the fukk are you talking about with HHH? When has HHH carried the WWE during it's worst period? What do you consider it's worst period?

Maybe my tv was messing up but the rock has not been as bad as some are making it out to be.
i mean he did wrestle his first match in almost a year and before that it was one math in 8 years.
ofcourse he wasnt as fast he was rusty, he has to get back in wrestling shape.
Look nothing is going to really surprise you anymore, especially since its been atleast ten years of watching a show run by the same company. I say if you just learned to enjoy it for what it is people would have a lot less to complain about.
The Attitude Era the greatest era ever and it will likely never be matched so people need to move on..

 

[Rayzah]

The World Heavyweight Championship is basically the Intercontinental championship now, so it should be called that seeing as its booked that way now. While the Intercontinental championship is basically the TV championship now so just call it that.

The Rock went from the Most Electrifying Man in Sports Entertainment to the Slowest Man in Sports Entertainment. Its sad to watch really, I'm used to The rock being fun to watch but now his matches suck and his promos are some sentimental PG comedic crap. "Know your Role and Shut Your Mouth" Rock is gone and never going back. We also aren't getting badass Hollywood Rock anytime soon either.

This is the boom period y'all. Sure it's still pretty bad compared to the past but seeing as they make more money now than ever and I actually see a ton of kids in Cena, Punk and Mysterio shirts as compared to 5 years ago when there weren't any I'm inclined to believe we'll be getting nikkaz 15 years from now talking about how wrestling was so much better when Cena was on top

Triple H gave us great matches, feuds and memorable runs during wrestlings worst period. He put over as much as he buried, if not more. Jealous fukkers mad that they nikkaz never had the charisma or ability to be champs can stop bytching. He carried the company when everybody was dying or leaving or committing atrocities. WWE owes a lot to him and he deserves to helm it in the future.

Ryback should be fired and gone. Worst Goldberg I've ever seen. At least good old Bill pulled off some great matches and had some moves he can perform. Cokeboy's fetish for big burly men is killing the industry.

Cena is here to Main Event for good. Unlike Rock, Stone Cold or Brock he didn't leave or get too injured to go and that's why you've seen him on top more than anyone else. I despise the dude's endless push but I understand why its there. Now when he leaves or gets injured or worse WWE is going to be in trouble.

Shelton Benjamin is the most wasted talent of the past few years. Man had the potential for a run of 5 star matches. He didn't need to know how to speak he just needed to have more matches.

ryback is just not ready for the main event scene yet, he needs to win the IC title first.
and do you really think the rock is able to really say what he wants in this watered down pg era?
He is doing the best he can with the restrictions he has, IMO nobody in the company is a great at promos right now and thats mostly because of the filters.
and I honestly dont belive people will look back on this era and say it was great because they grew up with it, I think when these kids get older they will stop watching and move on to something else.

 

[El Cocodrilo]

ryback is just not ready for the main event scene yet, he needs to win the IC title first.
and do you really think the rock is able to really say what he wants in this watered down pg era?
He is doing the best he can with the restrictions he has, IMO nobody in the company is a great at promos right now and thats mostly because of the filters.
and I honestly dont belive people will look back on this era and say it was great because they grew up with it, I think when these kids get older they will stop watching and move on to something else.

I agree that unless WWE keeps improving, this whole era will be forgotten but as for The Rock... the man is just 40 y/o and he doesn't have the shine like that anymore.
He's not restricted at all; he called CM Punk a bytch the other day.

 

[Rayzah]

I agree that unless WWE keeps improving, this whole era will be forgotten but as for The Rock... the man is just 40 y/o and he doesn't have the shine like that anymore.
He's not restricted at all; he called CM Punk a bytch the other day.

i think his promos are getting better each week

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

I sonned R=G in the Raw thread a couple of days back. Now the movement is in full force.

 

[TrueEpic08]

The Rock went from the Most Electrifying Man in Sports Entertainment to the Slowest Man in Sports Entertainment. Its sad to watch really, I'm used to The rock being fun to watch but now his matches suck and his promos are some sentimental PG comedic crap. "Know your Role and Shut Your Mouth" Rock is gone and never going back. We also aren't getting badass Hollywood Rock anytime soon either.

Triple H gave us great matches, feuds and memorable runs during wrestlings worst period. He put over as much as he buried, if not more. Jealous fukkers mad that they nikkaz never had the charisma or ability to be champs can stop bytching. He carried the company when everybody was dying or leaving or committing atrocities. WWE owes a lot to him and he deserves to helm it in the future.

On The Rock: Eh, I thought his material during the build to the Royal Rumble and the actual match itself wasn't bad. Certainly better than what he put into his feud with Cena. It might be because he and CM Punk just have more chemistry than Cena and Rock do (i.e., CM Punk is just that damn good).

But generally, Pain and Gain Rock is quite a bit worse than prime Rock. But what were you expecting from a guy who hadn't wrestled regularly since 2004?

On Triple H: Untrue. Hunter somehow went 16 months (From Survivor Series 2002 to WrestleMania XX) between good matches and feuds, which should be completely impossible for a guy who's the centerpiece of half the company. I've never thought highly of his stuff with Michaels save for the SummerSlam 2002 match, his feuds in that time frame were atrocities, and he wasn't healthy at all. In fact, he pretty much spent the last half of 2003 a cripple due to a groin injury he refused to take time off to heal. Sucked, sucked, sucked.

I will say that, in some weird way, I do admire the fact that he was willing to do all of that and work through the pain and bloated body to carry RAW as its top heel while someone was built to take him down. But mostly, I just find it stupid and counterproductive.

Let me break it down for you R=G:

- I love the rock, I've even been able to enjoy his b-grade movies on some "so bad its good" shyt. But I'm looking at my boy Dwayne and he fell off. Went from being the most exciting thing to ever appear in Wrestling to the slow ass old man he helped beat when he was a young star coming up at the WWF during the monday night wars. I have no probs with my boy winning the championship, if he actually wrestled and entertained, and wasn't dropping to no John Cena. Face it b, everything Rock's been doing it to put Cena over. So you'll get Cena stans in the future laughing at your bytch ass posting clips of the Tooth Fairy.

- I'm stating facts on shyt whether I like them or not. You know, as grown men do. All you're doing is posting some biased stannery that only fits your "No Woman Even Glanced At" bubble. Your opinion ain't fact, and won't ever be fact. Late 90's is over, go put in your Scorpion King DVD and weep yourself to sleep.

- While I do hate Cena's manufactured ass. Dude's over with all the little kids who are going to grow up with fond memories of the dude winning all the time. He ain't the first face to get booed like that. Hulk Hogan was booed in his heyday at the WWF as well. Our mutual homeboy Rocky got booed something fierce his first run as a face, got booed against Brock Lesner at Summerslam AND got booed against CM Punk just recently. But yeah please bring up haters when you hating yourself, b.

- The Rock's done, even Rock knows it. Why do you think he didn't show up for so long? He realized he had nothing more to prove and moved on so I gave him props for that. But now he's back and main eventing while pulling 2 star matches and botching left and right. He became exactly what his fans were against at the time. Old, botches, relies too much on stardom and is slow as hell with little to no stamina. shyt breaks my heart, but he should have known better than to come back.

I've been on and off with wrestling for years. This thread is based off my views as a dude who used to be all about wrestling back in his younging days but hasn't even viewed a minute after WM24. I went casual and I know what casuals are about, they love Cena, deal with it. now I came back for a little over a month, caught up on some good matches but I don't live and die by it like you do. Wrestling sucks? Back to ignoring it for another decade. You on the other hand will be around for the faintest hope that you get to hear something's been cooking. So know your role and shut your mouth, lest I lose my smile and you get to find out that your arms are too short to box with God.

Sheesh. Even if I take a bit of issue with his comments on the Rock, this was pretty much spot on.

I hope you got some fresh air after reading this, R=G.

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

What's the over/under on smilies and the use of "little man," "homosexual," "John Cena," and his delusion that he is the only one that brings traffic to the site in his autism fueled response?

 

[Reality Check]

What's the over/under on smilies and the use of "little man," "homosexual," "John Cena," and his delusion that he is the only one that brings traffic to the site in his autism fueled response?

These Over/Unders seem accurate?

simlies: 3.5
Use of "Little Man": 1.5
Use of "homosexual": 2.5
Use of "John Cena": 1.5
Use of anything Rock related (great one, The Rock, electrifying, etc.)" 5.5
Calling him a nobody poster: 2.5

 

[Rarely-Wrong Liggins]

These Over/Unders seem accurate?

simlies: 3.5
Use of "Little Man": 1.5
Use of "homosexual": 2.5
Use of "John Cena": 1.5
Use of anything Rock related (great one, The Rock, electrifying, etc.)" 5.5
Calling him a nobody poster: 2.5

Sounds perfect. Character more predictable than John Cena.

 

[Don Dada Barbosa]

These statements are all wrong. First off of course The Rock is not the same as he was 10 fukkin years ago NOBODY is. Part of the reason is u grew up, some stuff is not as cool now as once when u were a kid. Plus you're not gonna get Hollywood Rock anytime soon because The Rock is making movies. Most wrestling fans are nerds and won't go see The Rock's movie if he's a heel because it's real to them. If wrestling fans could realize it's a fukking tv show maybe they would enjoy it better.

For real though. I never said I was expecting The Rock to be as good as he used to be. But are you going to sit there and tell me that this isn't a bigger drop off than you expected?

And seeing as he isn't as good as he used to be, are you going to sit there and tell me that him being world champion is all good? When he can barely pull off a small time match and his promos ARE weaker. He could justa s easily had a big match at mania without the belt, leave the belts to the regulars, they at least deserve that.

How is this a boom period when ratings are down and interest in the WWE is at almost an all-time low? The boom period for wrestling was 1998-2000.

This is like saying "Music isn't selling as much as it used to and the interest is at an all time low". This is the age of the internet dude, how many of y'all stream and torrent all this shyt then start talking about ratings?

Its not touching the Attitude Era cause there is no real competition, you can watch shyt more easily on different platforms for free now, and yes interest in wrestling is somewhat lower than it used to be. But are you going to sit there and tell me that there aren't billions of kids out there in Cena gear when there's evidence to the contrary? Or at the endless reports of WWE making more money than it ever did?

What the fukk are you talking about with HHH? When has HHH carried the WWE during it's worst period? What do you consider it's worst period?

With Stone Cold injured, Rock gone and Brock thinking he's an NFL star. Who do you think was there putting on great matches with HBK, Chris Benoit and pulling a few from Cena, Orton, Batista and others putting them over? Who carried the Raw brand for the longest time and kept y'all interested?

HHH and Taker are the two main eventers who stuck around when they didn't have to or need to. Helped push, put over and perform to as much as their abilities.

On Triple H: Untrue. Hunter somehow went 16 months (From Survivor Series 2002 to WrestleMania XX) between good matches and feuds, which should be completely impossible for a guy who's the centerpiece of half the company. I've never thought highly of his stuff with Michaels save for the SummerSlam 2002 match, his feuds in that time frame were atrocities, and he wasn't healthy at all. In fact, he pretty much spent the last half of 2003 a cripple due to a groin injury he refused to take time off to heal. Sucked, sucked, sucked.

I will say that, in some weird way, I do admire the fact that he was willing to do all of that and work through the pain and bloated body to carry RAW as its top heel while someone was built to take him down. But mostly, I just find it stupid and counterproductive.

Hunter was there cause the company most definitely needed him. The writing was at it's worst and the booking was atrocious but you had Triple H sticking by it and going through it just so that some would stay interested in the company.

I find it funny that the same people yelling "backstage politics", "he's screwing stephanie so he's doing what he wants" and shyt like that are cheering The Rock for coming back and winning the championship right away with little to no argument. Sorry guys, but that's straight stannery right there.

As for Rock/Punk feud? Its been good, better than most wrestling is now so I was pretty happy about it. But the end result is a weak Punk and Twice in A Lifetime, so I can't say that it worked out in the long run.

 

[The Push Man]

Rock got the belt because he's The Rock. It's a short reign and he'll 'pass the torch' so to speak. In theory his loss will mean more, and draw more, because it's a title match and the folks who tune in just to see Rocky may stick around and watch the guy who beats him. I don't see that happening, in regards to the sticking around part at least, but I see why they're doing it.

Leaving it to the regular guys because they deserve it...well much like a lot of things in life, deserve's got nothing to do with it.

 

[TonyStarks]

Ryback should be fired and gone. Worst Goldberg I've ever seen. At least good old Bill pulled off some great matches and had some moves he can perform. Cokeboy's fetish for big burly men is killing the industry.

Ryback along with D-Bry is one of the few people today who have got themselves over with the crowd. Add to that he's pretty decent for a big man. Only thing is he's been fukked by the E's booking by losing in like 4 PPVs and getting thrown to the bushes by Cena in the Rumble

 

[showtime]

For real though. I never said I was expecting The Rock to be as good as he used to be. But are you going to sit there and tell me that this isn't a bigger drop off than you expected?

And seeing as he isn't as good as he used to be, are you going to sit there and tell me that him being world champion is all good? When he can barely pull off a small time match and his promos ARE weaker. He could justa s easily had a big match at mania without the belt, leave the belts to the regulars, they at least deserve that.



This is like saying "Music isn't selling as much as it used to and the interest is at an all time low". This is the age of the internet dude, how many of y'all stream and torrent all this shyt then start talking about ratings?

Its not touching the Attitude Era cause there is no real competition, you can watch shyt more easily on different platforms for free now, and yes interest in wrestling is somewhat lower than it used to be. But are you going to sit there and tell me that there aren't billions of kids out there in Cena gear when there's evidence to the contrary? Or at the endless reports of WWE making more money than it ever did?



With Stone Cold injured, Rock gone and Brock thinking he's an NFL star. Who do you think was there putting on great matches with HBK, Chris Benoit and pulling a few from Cena, Orton, Batista and others putting them over? Who carried the Raw brand for the longest time and can't y'all interested?

HHH and Taker are the two main eventers who stuck around when they didn't have to or need to. Helped push, put over and perform to as much as their abilities.

HHH never carried the company bro you're delusional the roster was deep as hell at that time. Also the WWE was doing well in the ratings then so no it wasn't one of WWE's lowest times.

Also no The Rock hasn't had a huge drop off like you say go watch his promo after Wrestlemania it's one of his best promo's.

Again you're wrong the WWE is not in a boom period, that is one of the dumbest statements I've seen posted on here.

Just walk away bro