NormanConnors
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Thats on the artist, they are more plugged in than most online, if a fan outside of the industry can see it, they should be able to as well.
WSG/Griselda sending shots at Shady
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Thats on the artist, they are more plugged in than most online, if a fan outside of the industry can see it, they should be able to as well.
We ain't disagreeing on that breh, I was merely pointing out how flawed the logic is with a lot of these artists when deciding where to sign.
UserNameless
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Yeah I have no idea ... that’s the largest, most visible thing I’ve seen . But I don’t really follow them like that
To be fair, most black rappers don't care about BET either .. shyt is all smoke and mirrors. nikkas care about Grammy's and VMAs whether they'd like to admit it or not.
Plus MTV ALWAYS gave Em crazy promo. D12 even had their own special.
TheDarceKnight
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At this point I don't really know. @Piff Perkins has been able to drop some info on the benefits of being with a label like that.
At this point I just want God Don't Make Mistakes to be released at some point within the next year and for it not to be fukked up or altered when it does. I've heard enough of it on youtube to know it's dope, and I don't want them to have to remake beats on there with samples that can't be cleared, etc. I really think there's a hold up with the album and I hope it can get squared away. And if it can't I hope he just releases it independently.
It's like the same shyt happened twice. Hall & Nash 2 and GOAT got held up by Shady, and eventually he just said fukk it and dropped GOAT on Soundcloud out of nowhere.
I can't think of a worse label to be on if you make sample-heavy music.
TheDarceKnight
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I never noticed until now, but you're not wrong. A lot of bar heavy emcees seem like they sign to Em because he's a bar heavy emcee, and they're fans of him and/or maybe think that he'll understand how to help them pop off on a bigger level?
I don't know. I know Shady ain't worked out for a single artist besides Em and 50 though. And if I'm being generous I guess I could include Obie. Cheers did pretty well if I remember right.
TheDarceKnight
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I'd ilkle to know more too, and @Awesome Wells dropped some good info.
I'm probably guilty of dropping some opinions without facts myself, but I have a couple of friends close to their circle, and I've definitely said that Hall & Nash 2 never dropped because of issues with Shady. Same with the Just Blaze produced project.
Hall & Nash 2 is going to drop independent, and I heard the issues related to it not dropping were sample clearance related, and I do believe that. But there could be other reasons too.
Take out the baseline
In my opinion Shady has never strayed away from the niche they are trying to market to and it make sense with the artists that they sign deals with. However there appears to be a disconnect and that is what causes the artists to not reach a specific level of stardom. I wouldn’t necessarily say it’s anyones fault more so the fact that a wider target market is not particularly interested in deep lyrical emcees.
I get it, they see the level of stardom that Eminem has and assume that it can be replicated but the reality is not many of those emcees will be willing to dress up as Britney Spears or do a track with Arianna Grande to reach a different target audience.
Like someone else suggested I think Griselda will do very well overseas.
Out of curiosity what was the issue with Shady?
A few pages back I posted an interview of Gun and Benny talking about the sample clearance process, so a sample not getting clearance is nobodies fault.
D12 sold more than Obie
Piff Perkins
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Honestly i don't think any major label would clear samples for them. It's expensive and there's no way you're recouping from artists who can't sell records+don't have a 360 deal.
At this point I'd try to get the Conway album released and then see if Roc Nation can get them out the Shady deal (similar to what they did for Meg The Stallion).
Out of curiosity what label do you think will sign Griselda and give them the total freedom to do as many independent projects?
I personally don’t think Meg had a bad deal, in my opinion it was more so Roc Nation whispering sweetness in her ear
TheDarceKnight
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This is actually situation dependent. There's not a one size fits all process for clearing samples. There are different ways to approach it, and I imagine Shady probably does it in a purely transactional and by the book manner. There are definitely certain artists (or whoever owns the music) that like to be approached in certain ways when it comes to asking them for clearance of their work. I'd even say that some people are objectively better at clearing samples than others.
It's hard to know the situation to dissect without knowing the particulars. WSG should probably take some ownership of going to a label that is going to require sample clearances to begin with. All of these indie projects they just drop onto streaming platforms with the limited release vinyls don't even have cleared samples on them. They just drop the product. So WSG should've known what to expect when dealing with a major label.