WSJ article:Science Increasingly Makes the Case for God

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As factors continued to be discovered, the number of possible planets hit zero, and kept going. In other words, the odds turned against any planet in the universe supporting life, including this one. Probability said that even we shouldn’t be here.

Today there are more than 200 known parameters necessary for a planet to support life—every single one of which must be perfectly met, or the whole thing falls apart. Without a massive planet like Jupiter nearby, whose gravity will draw away asteroids, a thousand times as many would hit Earth’s surface. The odds against life in the universe are simply astonishing.

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There’s more. The fine-tuning necessary for life to exist on a planet is nothing compared with the fine-tuning required for the universe to exist at all. For example, astrophysicists now know that the values of the four fundamental forces—gravity, the electromagnetic force, and the “strong” and “weak” nuclear forces—were determined less than one millionth of a second after the big bang. Alter any one value and the universe could not exist. For instance, if the ratio between the nuclear strong force and the electromagnetic force had been off by the tiniest fraction of the tiniest fraction—by even one part in 100,000,000,000,000,000—then no stars could have ever formed at all. Feel free to gulp.

Multiply that single parameter by all the other necessary conditions, and the odds against the universe existing are so heart-stoppingly astronomical that the notion that it all “just happened” defies common sense. It would be like tossing a coin and having it come up heads 10 quintillion times in a row. Really?

Fred Hoyle, the astronomer who coined the term “big bang,” said that his atheism was “greatly shaken” at these developments. He later wrote that “a common-sense interpretation of the facts suggests that a super-intellect has monkeyed with the physics, as well as with chemistry and biology . . . . The numbers one calculates from the facts seem to me so overwhelming as to put this conclusion almost beyond question.”

Theoretical physicist Paul Davies has said that “the appearance of design is overwhelming” and Oxford professor Dr. John Lennox has said “the more we get to know about our universe, the more the hypothesis that there is a Creator . . . gains in credibility as the best explanation of why we are here.”

The greatest miracle of all time, without any close seconds, is the universe. It is the miracle of all miracles, one that ineluctably points with the combined brightness of every star to something—or Someone—beyond itself.

Ironic that the modern era creator of the idea of abiogenesis is a believer in ID,

 

[tmonster]

I'm all ears.

does it seem to that something must have created all this?

 

[Regular_P]

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I hate you.



What makes you think it's perfect? 65 million years ago, this planet was perfect for dinosaurs to be the prevalent creatures. This shyt is flimsy. And it may be the case that our intelligence is ultimately detrimental to our survival. What other species can create weapons that can kill millions of them in a single swoop?

We very well might, but no other species can teach its own history to future generations. Your dog doesn't know anything about its parents, but we know what happened on this planet thousands of years ago. Only humans.

 

[Regular_P]

does it seem to that something must have created all this?

It does.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

They are atrocious.

This one is actually pretty solid. To me, a lot of this is why I believe God exists. How else can this perfect planet exist and furthermore, why are humans the only creatures that are aware of their history/culture?

ok. What would a non-designed universe look like?

 

[Regular_P]

ok. What would a non-designed universe look like?

WOAT in two different forums.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

WOAT in two different forums.

Answer the question.

What does a lack of design look like?

 

[tmonster]

It does.

can you share why it seems that way? (no need to be fancy, just say what you think)

 

[NoMayo15]

We very well might, but no other species can teach its own history to future generations. Your dog doesn't know anything about its parents, but we know what happened on this planet thousands of years ago. Only humans.

But why extrapolate that to mean anything more than that? So we are much more intelligent than almost every species. So what? How do you make that leap from only we know our history to we were necessarily, or most likely, designed by some intelligence?

 

[Regular_P]

can you share why it seems that way? (no need to be fancy, just say what you think)

Because we happen to exist in a perfect space for our needs. What are the odds This perfect planet, with a zillion different species and plants just HAPPENS to exist? It's hard for me to believe it's just blind luck.

But why extrapolate that to mean anything more than that? So we are much more intelligent than almost every species. So what? How do you make that leap from only we know our history to we were necessarily, or most likely, designed by some intelligence?

We have technology and continue to create new tools to make our lives easier and more enjoyable. Every other species is pretty basic and really, fairly similar. We are insanely unique among every creature on this planet. Humans have proven capable of living in every corner of Earth. Nothing else comes close.

Is a sunset beautiful to a rabbit? No, they just know it is going to be dark soon and they need to find a safe place for the night. Can a monkey make a two bedroom house and install working plumbing, electricity, etc. throughout? Is a lion aware what the living conditions are like in a different part of Africa or a zoo?

 

[NoMayo15]

We have technology and continue to create new tools to make our lives easier and more enjoyable. Every other species is pretty basic and really, fairly similar. We are insanely unique among every creature on this planet. Humans have proven capable of living in every corner of Earth. Nothing else comes close.

Is a sunset beautiful to a rabbit? No, they just know it is going to be dark soon and they need to find a safe place for the night. Can a monkey make a two bedroom house and install working plumbing, electricity, etc. throughout? Is a lion aware what the living conditions are like in a different part of Africa or a zoo?

I have no idea if, say, a monkey attributes beauty to a sunset or not, but that's not necessarily valuable for an organism to survive. You're assigning arbitrary criteria for which some species are "better" than others, and then extrapolating that to mean that some entity necessarily created us. That's like a whale (if one could communicate with us) saying "Oh, the planet is mostly water, we have no major predators, so obviously Earth was created with us in mind. Yeah humans can make boats and shyt, but they'd be fukked if they had to survive under water ... which is like 70% of the planet". You're looking at it from a biased stance where you view intelligence as the goal. I've already pointed out a way where our intelligence might ultimately be detrimental to our survival. Other creatures may not be as smart, but may have a higher rate of survivability... the only real goal of evolution by natural selection.

Now, answer my previous question.

 

[Regular_P]

I have no idea if, say, a monkey attributes beauty to a sunset or not, but that's not necessarily valuable for an organism to survive. You're assigning arbitrary criteria for which some species are "better" than others, and then extrapolating that to mean that some entity necessarily created us. That's like a whale (if one could communicate with us) saying "Oh, the planet is mostly water, we have no major predators, so obviously Earth was created with us in mind. Yeah humans can make boats and shyt, but they'd be fukked if they had to survive under water ... which is like 70% of the planet". You're looking at it from a biased stance where you view intelligence as the goal. I've already pointed out a way where our intelligence might ultimately be detrimental to our survival. Other creatures may not be as smart, but may have a higher rate of survivability... the only real goal of evolution by natural selection.

Now, answer my previous question.

Like I said, humans are utterly unique among every creature on this planet. A cat now lives relatively the same now as it did 2,000 years ago.

Humans live differently now than they did 20 years ago let alone 2,000.

 

[The 2020 New Member]

Answer the question.

What does a lack of design look like?

really?

 

[NoMayo15]

Like I said, humans are utterly unique among every creature on this planet. A cat now lives relatively the same now as it did 2,000 years ago.

Humans live differently now than they did 20 years ago let alone 2,000.

So what?