WWE Pardon The Interruption To Debut After Raw Tonight

[Golayitdown]

Sure there some hardcore fans that are just negative, but the majority I see have things things they praise as well, thing is wrestling fans all have their own philosophy of how shyt should go and will critique things outside of that. Really though, that's no different than comic book fans or all types of other genres , they should just embrace that people are passionate and stop being defensive.

Exactly. My only view of the wrestling community is through TSC, but on here people have continuously praised excellence whenever possible regarding WWE. All you see is props for AJ and it was the same with Bryan before him. For a lot of us, we're actually waiting for them to get stuff right because we're truly fans.

The problem is that there are just way more bad things (objectively speaking) going on with the product and the good to great things are sprinkled few and far in between. It doesn't help that the majority of those issues are deliberately put in place by the top people in the company and it often feels like it's being rubbed in the faces of fans.

 

[Golayitdown]

this isn't directed at you but to the people that are persuaing you to not watch. If you don't like don't talk about them don't buy the network don't watch the shows on YouTube log off tsc. Because if you support it and pay for that network then they got your money. To truly not support them is to pretend they don't exist. Too many of the internet fans watch he show just to complain and that's why they responded that way to all of the fans critsizm. I enjoyed the show it was different and it gives me an understanding of how the people close to the company think. Whether I disagree or not their opinions make more since than the average person on this board.

I feel where you're coming from regarding supporting and following the product and somewhat agree. If you absolutely hate the product and don't want to watch, then stop watching it.

I can't support the log off TSC part though. This is a discussion board where everything good, bad, mundane, and ugly from the past, present, and future is discussed. It's obvious that all of us are fans on varying levels, and barring some major scandal, most of us will never stop watching. With that in mind, if we want to talk about the product, with that in mind, this is actually the best place to go to have relatively sane discussions about wrestling in general. This isn't the official WWE fan site, so everything about the product is and should be up for discussion.

 

[dh86]

Why is Rosenberg wack green mark ass being used for this.

He knows nuffin really about none of the subjects and interest he has and real talk.
He rode on the fact everyone thought he was connected to eminem's rosenberg to fake prominence on some impersonator shyt.



Art Barr

I think Rosenberg got to where he is because his dad is a DC insider that worked for Clinton. And jewish

 

[Art Barr]

I think Rosenberg got to where he is because his dad is a DC insider that worked for Clinton. And jewish

Coupled with the headfake like he was em's Rosenberg, tho.


Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Exactly. My only view of the wrestling community is through TSC, but on here people have continuously praised excellence whenever possible regarding WWE. All you see is props for AJ and it was the same with Bryan before him. For a lot of us, we're actually waiting for them to get stuff right because we're truly fans.

The problem is that there are just way more bad things (objectively speaking) going on with the product and the good to great things are sprinkled few and far in between. It doesn't help that the majority of those issues are deliberately put in place by the top people in the company and it often feels like it's being rubbed in the faces of fans.

Great excellent rant, on the state of WWE affairs and their content.


Art Barr

 

[DANJ!]

Exactly. My only view of the wrestling community is through TSC, but on here people have continuously praised excellence whenever possible regarding WWE. All you see is props for AJ and it was the same with Bryan before him. For a lot of us, we're actually waiting for them to get stuff right because we're truly fans.

The problem is that there are just way more bad things (objectively speaking) going on with the product and the good to great things are sprinkled few and far in between. It doesn't help that the majority of those issues are deliberately put in place by the top people in the company and it often feels like it's being rubbed in the faces of fans.

But that's more about the "fans" feelings, and less about what's actually happening. When their favorite guy doesn't win a title, or when their favorites lose matches, they take it like it's a personal slight to them, and that only speaks to how sensitive this generation is

I've been watching wrestling for 30 years, and guess what, we didn't always get what we wanted back then either. People wanted Sting to win the title from Flair a whole 2 years before he finally did. Lex Luger was super-hot and didn't beat Flair for the belt. Nikita Koloff was hot and never went over Flair. If that had happened in 2017, there woulda been whole podcasts about how NWA was burying Sting, Luger, and Koloff, and insulting the fans with "Dusty finishes". Some of our favorite WWF stars never won titles, I don't think we ever took it like a mean-spirited dig at the fans... I'm sure there was a group of adults mad at the "make Warrior look strong" plan back in the day, but we didn't give a fukk, lol.

 

[Golayitdown]

But that's more about the "fans" feelings, and less about what's actually happening. When their favorite guy doesn't win a title, or when their favorites lose matches, they take it like it's a personal slight to them, and that only speaks to how sensitive this generation is

I've been watching wrestling for 30 years, and guess what, we didn't always get what we wanted back then either. People wanted Sting to win the title from Flair a whole 2 years before he finally did. Lex Luger was super-hot and didn't beat Flair for the belt. Nikita Koloff was hot and never went over Flair. If that had happened in 2017, there woulda been whole podcasts about how NWA was burying Sting, Luger, and Koloff, and insulting the fans with "Dusty finishes". Some of our favorite WWF stars never won titles, I don't think we ever took it like a mean-spirited dig at the fans... I'm sure there was a group of adults mad at the "make Warrior look strong" plan back in the day, but we didn't give a fukk, lol.

Not sure what you read, but my comment had absolutely nothing to do with who wins or doesn't win. In fact IMO, the wins and losses column is NOT a problem. Hell, AJ has been the best champ in years and they have to take chances on guys like Owens to find somebody worthy of main eventing in the future.

What you're saying is definitely part of the problem from a IWC standpoint (and I agree), but don't make the mistake of doing like the E seems to do and assume that's the only issue.

The "rubbing in our faces comment" has more to do with the larger picture and applies to the whole roster:

• Repetitive matches weekly with literally no end in sight
• A huge chunk of the roster having nothing to do (just existing in a vacuum without a reason for anyone to care about them)
• Major storylines with holes (such as the whole Universal title picture)
• Stephanie still emasculating people for the past 4-5 years almost weekly with no payoff
• PPVs that are glorified Raws
• Talent basically swimming in circles unless they're competing for the main title of their division

None of that has anything to do with who comes out on top and is all about how the product is organized and presented. They have the talent and the history that shows that they could make a lot of things better if they wanted to.

It's almost like your watching somebody play a game of spades. You see they have 8 spades including both big jokers but at the end of the game, they can't even get 4 books



On a completely different note, it would be awesome to dig up some comments from the early days of the internet to see how people like us reacted to shyt.

 

[Art Barr]

But that's more about the "fans" feelings, and less about what's actually happening. When their favorite guy doesn't win a title, or when their favorites lose matches, they take it like it's a personal slight to them, and that only speaks to how sensitive this generation is

I've been watching wrestling for 30 years, and guess what, we didn't always get what we wanted back then either. People wanted Sting to win the title from Flair a whole 2 years before he finally did. Lex Luger was super-hot and didn't beat Flair for the belt. Nikita Koloff was hot and never went over Flair. If that had happened in 2017, there woulda been whole podcasts about how NWA was burying Sting, Luger, and Koloff, and insulting the fans with "Dusty finishes". Some of our favorite WWF stars never won titles, I don't think we ever took it like a mean-spirited dig at the fans... I'm sure there was a group of adults mad at the "make Warrior look strong" plan back in the day, but we didn't give a fukk, lol.

Yes we did care and why NWA never took over the wwf with a much higher quality product in the rock n' roll wrasslin era.
Was mainly do to the fact flair is the template used by hall to create clique rules.
Which replicated and made the domination of flair with ole with the book even worse.
as a standard practice still used and it still ruins the current complexion of the industry to the point it negates creating a boom.
In the same manner the NWA failed to compete with the wwf during the rock n roll wrasslin era.

Our gripes are based on actual facts.
showcasing that this practice is wrong and also defeats profitability and negates creating a boom period.



Art Barr

 

[DANJ!]

Yes we did care and why NWA never took over the wwf with a much higher quality product in the rock n' roll wrasslin era.
Was mainly do to the fact flair is the template used by hall to create clique rules.
Which replicated and made the domination of flair with ole with the book even worse.
as a standard practice still used and it still ruins the current complexion of the industry to the point it negates creating a boom.
In the same manner the NWA failed to compete with the wwf during the rock n roll wrasslin era.

Our gripes are based on actual facts.
showcasing that this practice is wrong and also defeats profitability and negates creating a boom period.



Art Barr

We cared like "damn, Sting almost had it, Flair a punk"... not "Jim Crockett and Dusty Rhodes, I hate them, they're treating us like shyt with that booking decision! I'm done with this company until next Saturday!"

 

[Art Barr]

We cared like "damn, Sting almost had it, Flair a punk"... not "Jim Crockett and Dusty Rhodes, I hate them, they're treating us like shyt with that booking decision! I'm done with this company until next Saturday!"

You not even talking about the right booking era trying to be funny.
As duhtay is the person who had to seige the book.
to make the NWA more dynamic from the crippling of ole and flair booking.
Yet duhtay having to book more dynamic and create the duhtay finish politically to hold on to the book.
Actually lead to eventually flair taking over the book and then further pigeonholing the NWA in the era you just tried to cite erroneously and not knowing the timeline in full.
You should go brush up on how clique rules arose, my dude.

You will see that commentary on this does exist and has been commentated and broken down as corrosive and the wrong way to go about this in legacy and history as well.
We did know back then who was the booker and if you did not you can go brush up on it.
To even be a smart you should know this.


Art Barr

 

[DANJ!]

You not even talking about the right booking era trying to be funny.
As duhtay is the person who had to seige the book.
to make the NWA more dynamic from the crippling of ole and flair booking.
Yet duhtay having to book more dynamic and create the duhtay finish politically to hold on to the book.
Actually lead to eventually flair taking over the book and then further pigeonholing the NWA in the era you just tried to cite erroneously and not knowing the timeline in full.
You should go brush up on how clique rules arose, my dude.

You will see that commentary on this does exist and has been commentated and broken down as corrosive and the wrong way to go about this in legacy and history as well.
We did know back then who was the booker and if you did not you can go brush up on it.
To even be a smart you should know this.


Art Barr

So Dusty wasn't booking in '88? First time I heard that... pretty sure that was the era of the Dusty finish, right up until he got fired at the end of the year over the spike incident.

Either way, if there were fans legit gettin' insulted personally over booking decisions back then, they needed to slide back from the TV.

 

[Rayzah]

I feel where you're coming from regarding supporting and following the product and somewhat agree. If you absolutely hate the product and don't want to watch, then stop watching it.

I can't support the log off TSC part though. This is a discussion board where everything good, bad, mundane, and ugly from the past, present, and future is discussed. It's obvious that all of us are fans on varying levels, and barring some major scandal, most of us will never stop watching. With that in mind, if we want to talk about the product, with that in mind, this is actually the best place to go to have relatively sane discussions about wrestling in general. This isn't the official WWE fan site, so everything about the product is and should be up for discussion.

Yea but if I disliked the amount of things these guys dislike on a regular I wouldn't watch at all. It doesn't feel like healthy discussions just a bunch of trolls and biased as comments. if I don't like tna which I don't im not going into the tna show thread to state my opinion on how it's not a well produced show it's low budget and the commentating sucks every week. That's just uneccasary because you don't like anything they do so why watch? If I don't like flippy shyt I'm not going to search for young bucks threads just to say they are trash those opinions aren't wanted. That's what I mean by logging off, liking tna or flippy shyt and making comments about them is one thing but if you never say anything good about them it is perceived that you don't like it and makes it ridiculous to continue to talk about

But that's more about the "fans" feelings, and less about what's actually happening. When their favorite guy doesn't win a title, or when their favorites lose matches, they take it like it's a personal slight to them, and that only speaks to how sensitive this generation is

I've been watching wrestling for 30 years, and guess what, we didn't always get what we wanted back then either. People wanted Sting to win the title from Flair a whole 2 years before he finally did. Lex Luger was super-hot and didn't beat Flair for the belt. Nikita Koloff was hot and never went over Flair. If that had happened in 2017, there woulda been whole podcasts about how NWA was burying Sting, Luger, and Koloff, and insulting the fans with "Dusty finishes". Some of our favorite WWF stars never won titles, I don't think we ever took it like a mean-spirited dig at the fans... I'm sure there was a group of adults mad at the "make Warrior look strong" plan back in the day, but we didn't give a fukk, lol.

I agree
I definitely think y'all need to stop taking these so personal, my whole point of posting was to say these dudes sound crazy thinking that this show was a slap in your face. What they were trying to say was 3 hours raw is about money so it won't change if the fans think they could uses the first hour for 205 live then I agree, but the average internet complint doesn't give suggestions it's just I don't like it. I guess if the fans were only vocal about the really bad stuff and not tip picking every angle or try to push these career mid carders then maybe they won't sound like they are bytching.

 

[Art Barr]

So Dusty wasn't booking in '88? First time I heard that... pretty sure that was the era of the Dusty finish, right up until he got fired at the end of the year over the spike incident.

Either way, if there were fans legit gettin' insulted personally over booking decisions back then, they needed to slide back from the TV.

You really don't know this shyt like that breh.
You keep bringing up duhtay when duhtay gave drawing relief to the book from ole.
Plus to try to make it like, people should have been pleased with getting basically ripped off carni style.

You are aware they had riots when flair went over certain guys back then too right.



Art Barr

 

[Art Barr]

Yea but if I disliked the amount of things these guys dislike on a regular I wouldn't watch at all. It doesn't feel like healthy discussions just a bunch of trolls and biased as comments. if I don't like tna which I don't im not going into the tna show thread to state my opinion on how it's not a well produced show it's low budget and the commentating sucks every week. That's just uneccasary because you don't like anything they do so why watch? If I don't like flippy shyt I'm not going to search for young bucks threads just to say they are trash those opinions aren't wanted. That's what I mean by logging off, liking tna or flippy shyt and making comments about them is one thing but if you never say anything good about them it is perceived that you don't like it and makes it ridiculous to continue to talk about


I agree
I definitely think y'all need to stop taking these so personal, my whole point of posting was to say these dudes sound crazy thinking that this show was a slap in your face. What they were trying to say was 3 hours raw is about money so it won't change if the fans think they could uses the first hour for 205 live then I agree, but the average internet complint doesn't give suggestions it's just I don't like it. I guess if the fans were only vocal about the really bad stuff and not tip picking every angle or try to push these career mid carders then maybe they won't sound like they are bytching.

The iwc gives any and every type of commentary to aid the WWE in making a higher quality product.
Either you missed the clique versus the iwc.
Or you really are not adept in full about this at all.

Iwc won this war and if the WWE continues to fukk it up it will be I
On the WWE.
As the iwc has offered any and every type of suggestions possible to make the wwf better.
Plus at and during its boom period provided the commentary so the boom period never was lost as well.

It is pure deflection by the clique solely why wrasslin domestically has been so pisspoor.
It was not till bullet club sharked and coup'd the clique.
till the clique were forced to get it and they still don't.


Art Barr

 

[Rayzah]

The iwc gives any and every type of commentary to aid the WWE in making a higher quality product.
Either you missed the clique versus the iwc.
Or you really are not adept in full about this at all.

Iwc won this war and if the WWE continues to fukk it up it will be I
On the WWE.
As the iwc has offered any and every type of suggestions possible to make the wwf better.
Plus at and during its boom period provided the commentary so the boom period never was lost as well.

It is pure deflection by the clique solely why wrasslin domestically has been so pisspoor.
It was not till bullet club sharked and coup'd the clique.
till the clique were forced to get it and they still don't.


Art Barr

Here is my point about these dudes "I hope omega doesn't come to WWE Vince will ruin him" so you don't want new talent to come to a company you say you want to do better because you think he will be ruined? That's why these dudes need to shut up. AJ, rollin, KO, balor, dbry punk. Have all held the title why would you think this trend wouldn't continue.? The guys that didn't make it weren't that good people say shyt like it's a shame what happened to Chris hero or they should go after kyle orily why? Them dude are bland as fukk and will be the type to get buried they won't get a reaction and Vince will forget about them and the IWC will bytch again. Why would WWE sign a guy just to burry the , that a waste of money, but at the same time signing them means they saw something in them at one point right. IWC are hypocrites for the most part