Their Motown/R&B/Soul predecessors were far bigger assets than they are. I don't think the negative portrayal of Black Americans worldwide started until Hip Hop became popular.
Xenophobia towards African Americans from immigrants.
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Their Motown/R&B/Soul predecessors were far bigger assets than they are. I don't think the negative portrayal of Black Americans worldwide started until Hip Hop became popular.
Because they do
Including all the ones in India & China?
Jatigi
Flagrant Hater
Keyword worldwide. The images coming to Africa about Black America were not minstrels
The world already hated us before hip-hop..
Rappers just exacerbated the hate. For lack of a better way of putting it, they almost justified the hate.
Are you sure about that?
Jatigi
Flagrant Hater
Do you think they held us in high regard prior to hip hop? Is there ANY non-black culture where ANY group of blacks is overwhelmingly held in high regard? Do they look down on Italians because of mafia movies. People have ALWAYS had a "reason" to hate AAs and speak down on us. I'm not falling for the bullshyt.
When did I say that black folks were held in high regard? I just said that they weren't specifically "hated" worldwide, at least not in Africa. Folks like MLK were there in Ghana during its independence in 1957:
I think the thing to realize about other ethnic groups is this: they got c00ns too.
I was talking about this with a friend of mine the other day. He's Asian and he calls them bananas. Yellow on the outside/white on the inside. My Indian friend calls hers coconuts, white on the inside/brown on the outside...and so on.
What I've been told is that they use disdain for blks as a way to assimilate to American culture. After all, what's more American than hating on a black person. But also different ethnic groups have their own internal issues as well. And also white worship is exaggerated. There are a LOT of ethnic groups that can't stand whites. (Doesn't make em allies b/c everybody is out for themselves) but some whites like pretend that the world loves them and hates us. shyt ain't NEVER that simple.
I was talking about this with a friend of mine the other day. He's Asian and he calls them bananas. Yellow on the outside/white on the inside. My Indian friend calls hers coconuts, white on the inside/brown on the outside...and so on.
What I've been told is that they use disdain for blks as a way to assimilate to American culture. After all, what's more American than hating on a black person. But also different ethnic groups have their own internal issues as well. And also white worship is exaggerated. There are a LOT of ethnic groups that can't stand whites. (Doesn't make em allies b/c everybody is out for themselves) but some whites like pretend that the world loves them and hates us. shyt ain't NEVER that simple.
mbewane
Knicks: 93 til infinity
People need to understand that immigrants (in general, wherever they come from and wherever they go to) don't really care about the country's history, immigrants coming to France today don't care about who fought for what 50 years ago lol, even if it indeed benefits them. Of all people, immigrants are the ones that are the most focused on the future, the very fact that they immigrated is that their focus is on building something better for themselves (or helping people out back home). So most immigrants will go along with the mainstream dynamics as the mainstream is where the financial benefits are. And contrary to local minorities, when push comes to shove they can always go back or move to yet another country. I've seen it here in France where brehs who grew up on the continent and immigrated here for studies/work just "go with the flow" and yeah might have a condescending view on local minorities who were born in the west yet struggle in life, while they just got here 5 years ago and own a house, two cars and might even have their own business already. And yeah a lot don't get involved in "the struggle" or whatever because their focus is mostly on the home country/bettering their own lives/the lives of their fellow countrymen (country of origin).
Ironically it's what the coli often champions : the "get yours" mentality.
There's a difference between first and second generation immigrants : first generation is "lay low, try to get into the mainstream, get money" while trying not to bring any kind of attention towads them, as the main referential is still the country of origin. But the second generation, born in the new country, often doesn't feel the same way and now has studied its history, grown up with the same mindframe as locals, etc. That's what's been going on in Europe.
Ironically it's what the coli often champions : the "get yours" mentality.
There's a difference between first and second generation immigrants : first generation is "lay low, try to get into the mainstream, get money" while trying not to bring any kind of attention towads them, as the main referential is still the country of origin. But the second generation, born in the new country, often doesn't feel the same way and now has studied its history, grown up with the same mindframe as locals, etc. That's what's been going on in Europe.
I will also add that Africans like Nnamdi Azikwe & Kwame Nkrumah had attended HBCUs in the early half of the century, joined black fraternities, and returned to their respective nations to lead the anticolonial struggle. Folks like Fela Kuti also spent time here and were influenced by the Black Power movement. Their viewpoint of Black America was not negative at the time
Oceanicpuppy
Superstar
African American were not seen in a positive light in the media.When did I say that black folks were held in high regard? I just said that they weren't specifically "hated" worldwide, at least not in Africa. Folks like MLK were there in Ghana during its independence in 1957:
This is not up for debate. Read Du bois essays. He even says we need to combat against the image of negro. Read about reconstruction.
African American through the span of reconstruction - contemporary are portrayed negatively. ( even during slavery )
If you give me time I can post some primary sources from international and us magazines newspapers and movies. They all protrary AA in a terrible light.
Basically your looking at history with a contemporary lens not with a historical one.
If you're from Africa you also need to rethink your position because Africa was seen in even a worse light in Western media.
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Oceanicpuppy
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[2] Thomas Junius Calloway, quoted in Rebecka Rutledge Fisher, “Cultural Artifacts and the Narrative of History: W.E.B. Du Bois and the Exhibiting of Culture at the 1900 Paris Exposition Universelle,” MFS Modern Fiction Studies 51, no. 4 (2005): 7
[2] Thomas Junius Calloway, quoted in Rebecka Rutledge Fisher, “Cultural Artifacts and the Narrative of History: W.E.B. Du Bois and the Exhibiting of Culture at the 1900 Paris Exposition Universelle,” MFS Modern Fiction Studies 51, no. 4 (2005): 7
The viewpoints of folks like Josephine Baker about how they were viewed in France showed that it wasn't universal all over Europe in the early part of the century.