Yeah, yeah, yeah. Jesus is black, but is he PRO-BLACK!?!?

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Didn't he die for our sins?
didnt he resurrect despite your sins :ufdup:
 

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didnt he resurrect despite your sins :ufdup:

People often forget that important point. He defeated death/sin by resurrecting, meaning it holds no power over Him or any of those that choose to follow Him.

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Jesus also seems to harper on not being focused on the Fleshly bodily and focus on spirit. The brotha polight/Dr.Umar approach to religion is dumb imo.

Also the "carnal minded" can't understand matters of the spirit.


I use to go in on the black church but now after seeing hotep and afrocentric cats scam left and right I grown to appreciate christians. The black church has it faults but I think also a lot of our community leaders have sprung out of Christianity/ a belief in the bible.

yep.

It would seem to me, understanding Judeo Christians ideas, that the evolution of making African/Indigenous minorities an underclass was brought about by Europeans elevating whiteness to deity, thus, in effect, become idolators. If Africans and indigenous populations became subhuman, it meant that they were not made in the image of God who purportedly made man in his image. Europeans diverged from Christianity and became idolators when they placed themselves and whiteness in the place of God and made divisions based off who were not white like them. It's the same for American protestantism and white nationalism. It's idolatry, not Christianity.



I use to think that there was space to be pro-black and Christian. As I get older, I'm starting to realize that the ideas that came forth from Christ are so revolutionary, that there really isn't any space for "blackness" or "whiteness". And yes, it's puts black people who consider themselves Christian between a rock and a hard place because white people have so weaponized Christianity with whiteness, black people have no recourse but to fight back with blackness. But it's incongruent with the Sermon on the Mount. I think MLK realized this which is why at the tail end of his life, he was trying to unite and galvanize all people who were victims of capitalism, hence the Poor People's Campaign, which I think embodied Christian ideas the most, and why he really became a threat. True Christians ideas are a threat to mainstream societies which is why Christ proclaimed that his kingdom isn't of this world. The Black Panthers, who, I don't think were religiously affiliated, appeared to be moving in this direction as well.
 

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Tbf, @Jesus H. Christ quite literally spawned black people on earth like videogame, but he put us right on top of gold , diamonds, oil, and fertile river valleys. :hubie:


He even gave us a several thousand year headstart on our cousins that went to asia, europe, and the Americas too.


If you were to view our entire history as black people, you could legitimately argue that a lot of our problems are unforced errors. Because once again, how do you mess up 40,000 year headstart?
it depends on what you think "messing up" is

Moses said to Pharaoh (who didnt know Joseph) that God would enlarge the people he wouldnt let go in his land with wealth and riches (specifically gold, silver and precious gems)

read between the lines and a people emerged out of those fertile mines

a people who are hooked to the gold in a way that cant be fully understood
 

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didnt he resurrect despite your sins :ufdup:

why such a fixation on the eucharist then?
 
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why such a fixation on the eucharist then?
what do you know about the eucharist?


many people love to use the term "The Most High"

@JoelB @Chrishaune

lets see how many people see this connection



there are two ways to interpret this
 
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@invalid @JoelB im assuming you drifted off the topic but id like to see it to completion (pun intended on the scene)

now lets look at this passage here

John 2:3-11

3 And when they wanted wine, the mother of Jesus saith unto him, They have no wine.

4 Jesus saith unto her, Woman, what have I to do with thee? mine hour is not yet come.

5 His mother saith unto the servants, Whatsoever he saith unto you, do it.

6 And there were set there six waterpots of stone, after the manner of the purifying of the Jews, containing two or three firkins apiece.

7 Jesus saith unto them, Fill the waterpots with water. And they filled them up to the brim.

8 And he saith unto them, Draw out now, and bear unto the governor of the feast. And they bare it.

9 When the ruler of the feast had tasted the water that was made wine, and knew not whence it was: (but the servants which drew the water knew;) the governor of the feast called the bridegroom,

10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

now remember Melchizedek speaks to "Abram" before he is surnamed Abraham and before Sarai is named Sarah...

now read this passage but consider this allegory, if bread and wine is like flesh (or blood) then what the King of Sodom is saying to Abram becomes cryptic

give me your people but keep your possessions
shang-tsung-your-soul-is-mine.gif


to me, this is why when "Amalek" encounters the Israelites there is a strange link imo...but how interesting is the narrative of wine with this scene?


 
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@invalid @JoelB im assuming you drifted off the topic but id like to see it to completion (pun intended on the scene)

now lets look at this passage here

John 2:3-11



now remember Melchizedek speaks to "Abram" before he is surnamed Abraham and before Sarai is named Sarah...

now read this passage but consider this allegory, if bread and wine is like flesh (or blood) then what the King of Sodom is saying to Abram becomes cryptic

give me your people but keep your possessions
shang-tsung-your-soul-is-mine.gif


to me, this is why when "Amalek" encounters the Israelites there is a strange link imo...but how interesting is the narrative of wine with this scene?



Makes sense seeing as Melchizedek is the one that blessed Abraham, thereby blessing his descendants and establishing his priesthood above the Levitical priesthood.

This was all done to make way for Christ as He wouldn't be part of the line of priests that descended from Abraham, and so He became the High Priest of the highest order of Priesthood, the High Priest of the order of Melchizedek.
 
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This what we doing on a Friday night? A religious slop thread.

Are you an atheist?

What did the african gods do to stop CACs?

Thats a bar right there:wow:

@invalid @JoelB im assuming you drifted off the topic but id like to see it to completion (pun intended on the scene)

now lets look at this passage here

John 2:3-11



now remember Melchizedek speaks to "Abram" before he is surnamed Abraham and before Sarai is named Sarah...

now read this passage but consider this allegory, if bread and wine is like flesh (or blood) then what the King of Sodom is saying to Abram becomes cryptic

give me your people but keep your possessions
shang-tsung-your-soul-is-mine.gif


to me, this is why when "Amalek" encounters the Israelites there is a strange link imo...but how interesting is the narrative of wine with this scene?




bring me up to speed, whats the argument being made here?
 

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Makes sense seeing as Melchizedek is the one that blessed Abraham, thereby blessing his descendants and establishing his priesthood above the Levitical priesthood.

This was all done to make way for Christ as He wouldn't be part of the line of priests that descended from Abraham, and so He became the High Priest of the highest order of Priesthood, the High Priest of the order of Melchizedek.
what happens if "Melchizedek" claims to be God though
bring me up to speed, whats the argument being made here?
@invalid insinuated that the "Eucharist" has little significance in christian theology

so I used various stories involving wine to show the symbolism (and arguably the magic) associated with wine

wine is made from grapes, and the grapes are trampled, and the residue is then preserved into something that is drank to make you inebriated

God says "in the holy place" do not drink wine, implying that the nature of wine has no place in the temple...

so the idea is that ritual purity is a source of confusion but also a divider between peoples when it comes to "higher" understanding


Genesis 41:9-14

9 Then spake the chief butler unto Pharaoh, saying, I do remember my faults this day:

10 Pharaoh was wroth with his servants, and put me in ward in the captain of the guard's house, both me and the chief baker:

11 And we dreamed a dream in one night, I and he; we dreamed each man according to the interpretation of his dream.

12 And there was there with us a young man, an Hebrew, servant to the captain of the guard; and we told him, and he interpreted to us our dreams; to each man according to his dream he did interpret.

13 And it came to pass, as he interpreted to us, so it was; me he restored unto mine office, and him he hanged.

14 Then Pharaoh sent and called Joseph, and they brought him hastily out of the dungeon: and he shaved himself, and changed his raiment, and came in unto Pharaoh.

the challenge of Joseph is to somehow preserve both Pharaohs Butler and his Baker :ohhh: whats the difference between wine in your clothes vs in your body
 
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