You dont get it. Why dont they make opportunities once they make it here?. Read the post again.
Yo how come immigrants are so successful when they come over here?
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Maybe I don't
I don't think it even takes 3 generations
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Which goes to show its not the people but the country. Black Americans have witnessed first hand the bias and prejudice of america, while immigrants only hear the stories.
It's like someone born in the new millennium in Brooklyn talking bout they don't see what's so bad about it. MUfukkA you missed the dayum 80s and 90s and only see the gentrified Brooklyn!
I lived in Brooklyn and seen it
But it's happening in queens as well especially in LIC
My point is immigrants who come here literally from nothing usually do well because however bad it is over here, it's an upgrade from where they came from. They come from places where there's 0 opportunities and don't know they're supposed to think certain jobs are demeaning. They're not influenced with logos and other materialistic items. Like u said, it fades and living in this society, it fades rather quickly.
What do you call living well?.
Financially speaking, well for me is not being dependent on my next check. That if I suddenly lost my job I'd still be aight.
Then I know for a fact most immigrants arent doing well. I think some are confusing immigrants living better here then were they come from as being successful but that is because our basics in quality of life is much higher then theirs. If they go to canada, they will probably have a better quality of life based on how things are there. It's just the nature of the came. I'm happy for them but I'm not going to give them this aura of magic powers, its just they have to save money to meet their goals and its usually a better living situation. In that sense yes they are successful but the fight doesnt stop there if they really want the title of being successful in its truest sense in our society. Now to have that title, they have to keep the payments for the house up, pay for their kids lifestyle and education, make sure they keep their job or keep profits coming into their business, make sure they have proper health insurance, make sure they have proper investments, and have an enjoyable life.
This is what I call successful, and is why I'm baffled when I hear immigramts are so successful compared to americans, specifically aa, because most dont have the things I mentioned. Yeah you have a few, and they help make up for the rest in statistics, being that they are so small in numbers compared to us, but why do people take the exaggerations and run with it by putting others down?.
When I was younger my grandmother gave me a jewel that I see is real the older I get, and the more places I visit or learn about. She told me you will always have poor people no matter where you go. I looked at it like she was being arrogant at that time but, I came to see she was right. What she meant was you will always have people who just wont live up to their potential even if they come from a rich area. Some see Americans and say we are lazy,etc. but they ignore those who arent, then they make it worse by making it seem like everybody is a hard worker and everyone sticks together, where they're from and that isnt true. We know this because we see it isnt true based on using common sense, and it builds up anger when someone is talking down to you based on a lie. Im happy for immigrants who come here and make their life better then before but dont start acting high and mighty until you really are the shyt. Having a house does not make you the shyt. Owning a little store does not make you the shyt. Those two things plus what I previously mentioned does.
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There is that too but a lot of immigrants come here and are very educated. It's just that there arent as many opportunities where they came from. Not many large companies hold offices in small countries and the opportunities there are limited.
For example If you are an electrical engineer, in a lot of countries there are only a limited amount of companies you can wrk for. It's typically either for the local telephone or power company. In most countries there are either 1 or 2 of those. Unlike in America where you have hundreds of those same companies.
America is a huge market place for companies and said companies have jobs to offer within those communities. If you go to the Bahamas for example and are an engineer you probably work for Batelco or Cable Bahamas. That's it. In Haiti, you either work for Digicel or NatCom or Teleco. In Costa Rica you eiter work for ICE or dont work at all in that field.
Here in the U.S. you have hundreds of companies that would have a job for yo with an electrical/telecommunications engineering degree.
Nah I gotta disagree. Some Africans lived through colonization and later on its remnants, there are things some Africans experienced that Black folks didn't and vice versa. This whole thread as a whole is a huge display of generalizations. One of the street legends of U Street was a homeless crackhead Ethiopian, an educated man at that. In DC its immigrant nikkaz on the corner with black nikkaz hustlin and a few blocks up immigrant Africans going to Howard alongside AAs and each group owns businesses next to each other. It's not as cut and dry as it seems, it's up to the individual, the household, and the environment in that order.
The War on the Community destroyed yall unity, that's the only difference.
i cant speak for all immigrants but as far as my fam, its been the same formula for years. 1 member comes here, works 7 days a week to save up and bring the next one. both work 7 days a week and save up to bring the next 2. then all 4 do it and it keeps multiplying.
just 50 years ago, there was only 1 member of my family here. my grandfather's brother. he worked his ass off and ended up owning a dry-cleaners in harlem somewhere. then he brought my grandpa over and another brother and they each ended up owning bodegas. then my grandpa and his brothers all brought their kids over and they worked their asses off in bodegas, driving cabs, and working auto glass or body shops so that our generation can just focus on school instead of having to work 7 days a week.
its just being willing to work hard and sacrifice for your kids, thats all.
n those that say that immigrants are the best from their countries are full of shyt. the best of DR have no reason to leave DR. the people that leave DR are the ones that have no choice and have to choose between starvation or a strange land. the best of DR stay there because they have a choice and would much rather stay.
just 50 years ago, there was only 1 member of my family here. my grandfather's brother. he worked his ass off and ended up owning a dry-cleaners in harlem somewhere. then he brought my grandpa over and another brother and they each ended up owning bodegas. then my grandpa and his brothers all brought their kids over and they worked their asses off in bodegas, driving cabs, and working auto glass or body shops so that our generation can just focus on school instead of having to work 7 days a week.
its just being willing to work hard and sacrifice for your kids, thats all.
n those that say that immigrants are the best from their countries are full of shyt. the best of DR have no reason to leave DR. the people that leave DR are the ones that have no choice and have to choose between starvation or a strange land. the best of DR stay there because they have a choice and would much rather stay.
This is exactly how blacks did it back in the day coming from the south to the north. Now, its like that except its coming from the north going to the south.
i think the problem might be that we live in the instant gratification era. some people just arent very willing to make personal sacrifices thinking about 2 to 3 generations from now the way our grandparents and great grandparents did. i mean we live in an era where the majority of dudes are against marriage or creating a family, yet at the same time talk about progressing their race. blacks back in the day as well as my grandparents and alot of immigrants that come here, think A LOT about their future legacy to their children-grandchildren-great grandchildren. my grandfather is 75 and doesnt have much but he will tell you he feels like a rich and successful man because his kids and grandkids dont have to work anywhere near as hard as he did. ask the typical coli dude(as an example) if he is willing to sacrifice everything so that his nonexistant grandkids can have a better life than them and they gonna give u the
face. i dont know if its that simple, i dont think it is, but i think its a factor.
I think there are still people who will sacrifice, its just that the loudest people tend to be fools. Most people who are doing it, dont feel the need to tell everyone.i think the problem might be that we live in the instant gratification era. some people just arent very willing to make personal sacrifices thinking about 2 to 3 generations from now the way our grandparents and great grandparents did. i mean we live in an era where the majority of dudes are against marriage or creating a family, yet at the same time talk about progressing their race. blacks back in the day as well as my grandparents and alot of immigrants that come here, think A LOT about their future legacy to their children-grandchildren-great grandchildren. my grandfather is 75 and doesnt have much but he will tell you he feels like a rich and successful man because his kids and grandkids dont have to work anywhere near as hard as he did. ask the typical coli dude(as an example) if he is willing to sacrifice everything so that his nonexistant grandkids can have a better life than them and they gonna give u the
i dont know if its that simple, i dont think it is, but i think its a factor.
This may be off topic but can you ask your grandfather why didn't he go back to D.R. to live like a king off the U.S. currency and open up more business there?. Or even get into politics to change things around. I really would like to know why most immigrants dont do this. I do know some who have, its just they are in the minority.
his brother actually did do this. ive actually only seen his brother once my whole life because before i was even born and brought to NY, he had already went back to dr with his earnings and opened up some stores out there. he retired and never came back to NY for no reason. my grandfather had a little rough luck in the 80s and ended up with very little earnings as he got close to retirement. he owned 2 bodegas and ended up losing both for some reason and ended up working different shytty jobs all the way til he was 70.
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