Yo Wes Moore might be legit!

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I only voted for him bc I had to. He wasn't even the best dem candidate runninng this year. I voted for Perchot or however its spelled in the primaries.
 

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I read his book and he came off as an empty suit who has spent his entire life building his resume and doesn't understand issues of poverty with any depth at all.

In the book he compares his life (a middle-class kid, college-educated parents, attended elite private schools and was given one extra chance after another) to the life of a poor Baltimore kid (single mother, brother's a drug dealer, attended a shytty public school), and comes to the conclusion that he succeeded in life because of the "stories" he was introduced to in books and role models. Yeah, it was definitely that, not, you know, actually having a stable upbringing, financial security, and a 1-percenter education.

He's also a former soldier, former investment banker at Deutsche Bank and Citibank, and interned in the Bush White House under both Tom Ridge and Condoleezza Rice. He credits reading the autobiography of Colin Powell as being a defining moment in his life. During the Bush Administration he identified as a "social moderate and strong fiscal conservative". So yeah, he talks a good game but it's pretty tough to trust him.

Then again, I trusted Obama a LOT after reading his first book and we saw where that went. Wes Moore to me looks exactly like what Obama eventually became, so who knows.
Probably get undue hate merely because he's not a poor black man.
Right. They want unelectable black leaders who sound like Fred Hampton



These low-effort strawman attacks are bizarre. Do ya'all not even want to look like you're serious?

I did a ton of background research on him including reading his entire book, came in wanting to like him and not even being skeptical at all, and got turned off solely by who he presents himself as. Did you read the book? He's a Colin Powell fanboy, a Bush White House staffer twice over (under both Tom Ridge and Condelezza Rice), he spends the entire last chapter of his book just listing his after-college experiences one-by-one like he's putting together another college application essay without demonstrating the slightest awareness of what the people he was interacting with actually were like, then went on to be an investment banker with Deutsche Bank and Citibank.

Worst of all, he presents himself as being totally clueless regarding the causes of systematic poverty. He wrote an entire book about why he succeeded as a suburban kid from a middle-class family with educated parents and high-status clergy relatives who attends some of the most elite private schools in the nation and ends up doing well despite being a juvenile delinquent...yet compares himself directly to a poor kid from inner-city Baltimore raised by an uneducated single mother with drug-dealing relatives who goes to fukked-up public schools and gets left behind. Then his conclusion is that he succeeded because of the "stories he listened to" (i.e. Colin Powell biography, military school role models) and not all the ridiculous material and social advantages he had. Which sounds great if you're making money selling books and feel-good TV specials, because your life is about "selling those stories", but isn't how society really works.

On top of that, he's been a top-level nonprofit executive handling hundreds of millions of dollars in charitable funds, and used it....funding food pantries. Funding shelters. Maybe he was doing deeper transformative work somewhere, but he mostly looks like a rich guy doing the things that rich people think addressing poverty is about, not actually impacting systematic structures.

On top of that, he explicitly described himself as a "social moderate and strong fiscal conservative" some 15 years ago. And yeah, he is quite rich, just sold his house for $2.5 million before moving into the governor's residence.


Now, does that necessarily tell us how he'll govern? Like I said in my original statement, you can never really know. But there are plenty of legitimate reasons for someone with my priorities and worldview not to trust him. Why not engage honestly with those? Hopefully he'll do better in power.
 

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He’s currently governor, you can now judge him based on his work thus far.

All that you wrote then and now was irrelevant to me because he’d already been elected. No need to guess when we’re able to see what he does in real time.

Ironically, after writing your last post you only reaffirmed my original statement which is that you’re skeptical of anyone who comes from high paying jobs. :manny:
 

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He’s currently governor, you can now judge him based on his work thus far.

Ironically, after writing all that you only reaffirmed my original statement which is that you’re skeptical of anyone who comes from high paying jobs. :manny:

All that was irrelevant to me because he’s already been elected. No need to guess when we’re able to see what he does in real time.


I have no problem with high-paying jobs, I have problems with industries that are expressly designed to exacerbate income inequality.

You ever see me complain about someone being a doctor, dentist, psychiatrist, engineer, pilot, computer scientist, professional athlete, or university professor?


Now, let's see when you'll actually address the bulk of my critique of Moore's mindset, rather than just picking at a tiny aside and then misrepresenting it. It would be interesting to learn how you would actually perform in a debate on the issues, because all I ever see you do is this bad faith bullshyt.
 

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Like real surface level stuff, of course he looked up to Colin Powell. He’s a 44 year old black man who served in the army. At his age he likely affirmed his views on Powell long before it was proven that there were no WMDs in Iraq.
 

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I have no problem with high-paying jobs, I have problems with industries that are expressly designed to exacerbate income inequality.

You ever see me complain about someone being a doctor, dentist, psychiatrist, engineer, pilot, computer scientist, or university professor?


Now, let's see when you'll actually address the bulk of my critique of Moore's mindset, rather than just picking at a tiny aside and then misrepresenting it. It would be interesting to learn how you would actually perform in a debate on the issues, because all I ever see you do is this bad faith bullshyt.
Yes, you’ve criticized me for being a computer scientist. :pachaha:
 

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Since you’re up and in one of your moods. Go look up how he’s done so far and let’s discuss that.

You should know by now I don’t give a damn about your need to reaffirm your past affirmations or whatever it is you like to do to feel better about yourself.

Moore currently has favorable ratings by those who elected him, but I’m not sure there’s much to make of it.

Like I said, I saw him at the Orioles game and folks seemed to like him and it was nice to see him out with the people. Always good to see retail politics on display.
 

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So far, Wes has done what I’ve expected. He’s got a Dem super majority in the legislature and he’s also got bipartisan marks in his cap. The minimum wage is increasing to $15 an hour earlier than was initially passed. He wants to index the minimum wage so it automatically increases but there’s Dems who are pouring cold water.

He’s big on letting kids have a service year after high school. That program is launching this year. Getting kids civically engaged is a good thing esp if they’re unsure about their career trajectory.


Biggest difference from Hogan so far? We now how have a Governor who actually cares about Baltimore City. The Red Line though still has no concrete steps taken but the project’s revival seems to be on the way after Hogan killed it.


The other red flag is that he’s adopting Hogan’s plan to add toll roads on the Capital Beltway (I-495) and I-270. :scust: We aren’t supposed to be Virginia. That money should be put to expanding MARC train service in Montgomery County.

The rising crime across the state is a problem as it is in DC. So far, not sure what his directive is beyond the staffing vacancies of State Police and trying to offer economic programs for youth.
 

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It’s no secret here I work in big tech. :pachaha:


You claimed I criticized you for being a computer scientist, when until now I had never known that was your job.

I feel like you have some sort of quota where you have to make up a random lie about me at least once a week.
 
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