You Can’t Defeat Nationalism, So Stop Trying

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You Can't Defeat Nationalism, So Stop Trying

There are deep reasons that imagined communities will always be a powerful reality in international politics.

Way back in 2011, I wrote a column for Foreign Policy on “the most powerful force in the world.” The powerful force I had in mind wasn’t nuclear deterrence, the Internet, God, Lady Gaga, or even the bond market; it was nationalism. The idea that humans form distinct tribes based on a common language, culture, ethnicity, and self-awareness, and that such groups ought to be able to govern themselves, has shaped the history of the past 500 years in ways that many people still do not fully appreciate.

Nothing has happened since then to alter my views; if anything, the importance of understanding the power of nationalism is even greater today. It was nationalism—specifically, a desire to regain lost national autonomy—that drove the British decision to leave the European Union, even though the movement’s leaders (and I use that term advisedly) cannot figure out how to do it and departure is likely to make most Britons poorer and could lead to the eventual dissolution of the entire United Kingdom. U.S. President Donald Trump rode nationalist nostalgia for an imagined past (“Make America Great Again”) to the White House in 2016, and it forms the basis for the protectionist and anti-immigrant policies that keep his political base loyal now. Nationalism is central to Chinese President Xi Jinping’s ambitious efforts to make China a world leader, and it is the common thread uniting right-wing European politicians in France, Austria, Italy, Hungary, and Poland. Everywhere one looks, in fact, one sees nationalism at work in today’s world.

Why is nationalism so powerful, and why is its impact so important?

For starters, humans are social beings. From the moment we are born, we belong to some sort of community—a family, a tribe, a village, a province, and, today, a country. Because we depend on those around us from the very beginning, humans have evolved to be highly sensitive to in-group/out-group distinctions. Being able to identify friends and foes quickly was once critical for survival, and it is cognitively easier to rely on simple indicators (“she speaks my language”; “he looks different than my group”) than conducting an in-depth assessment of someone else’s character or propensities. Given these evolutionary imperatives, it is hardly surprising that humans are probably more sensitive to such distinctions than we ought to be. This is not to say we cannot see beyond our own tribes and forge powerful attachments to others, or that we cannot redefine who is “in” or “out” over time; it is merely to say that we have a strong propensity to identify more strongly with those we regard as being “like us.”

Thus far, the “nation” has been the largest cultural group with this sort of enduring attraction for its members. The defining traits that make up a nation can vary, but they usually include a common language, shared culture, a territorial origin, and a shared narrative about the collective past. Most importantly, a nation is a group of people that conceives of itself as constituting a unique community with a particular identity. In Benedict Anderson’s famous phrase, nations are “imagined communities” where total strangers nonetheless recognize and acknowledge each other as belonging to the same group.

Moreover, as John Mearsheimer points out in his recent book The Great Delusion, the power of nationalism rests in part on its symbiotic relationship with the state. Given the competitive pressures inherent in a world with no central authority, states have powerful incentives to encourage national unity within their borders, so that citizens are loyal and more willing to sacrifice for the state when necessary. Promoting nationalism—and especially a common language—also helped create more unified national economies and more productive populations, thereby enhancing the state’s overall capacity.

Similarly, because national groups that lack their own state are more vulnerable to conquest, absorption, persecution, or assimilation, many nations decided that having a state of their own was the best way to ensure their survival as an independent cultural group. The unfortunate histories of the Kurds, Palestinians, Tamils, and many others shows what can happen when a national group’s aspirations to statehood are repeatedly thwarted.

In the modern world, in short, nations want their own states to ensure their survival and autonomy, while states promote nationalism to strengthen themselves and preserve their independence. Nationalist movements hope to add themselves to the ranks of U.N. members, while states do what they can to suppress independence movements within their borders and to create a homogeneous body of loyal citizens. In extreme cases, minorities are expelled, slaughtered, or “re-educated” (as China is now trying to do to the Uighur population in Xinjiang) in an effort to create a more unified (and presumably loyal) population.

Taken together, these twin imperatives help explain why nationalism remains such a powerful and persistent force. And make no mistake: Its impact is profound. Even overly educated and generally skeptical individuals (e.g., me) are hardly immune to its effects. Why do I bemoan the absence of American men among the ranks of the world’s top tennis players? Why do I root for the American team at the men’s and women’s World Cup? Not because I know any of these athletes personally and happen to like them or admire their individual virtues; for all I know, they might be undeserving jerks. No, I’m rooting for them solely because they’re American.Although I think of myself as fairly cosmopolitan in outlook and wise to the seductive appeal of national pride, I can’t escape it entirely.

Why should we care about this powerful and enduring phenomenon? First, because national sentiment is easily exploited by political leaders, including most of the demagogues whose activities are currently roiling politics around the world. By wrapping themselves in the mantle of patriotism, and constantly warning about the foreigners that are supposedly threatening our way of life, would-be authoritarians such as Hungarian Prime Minister Viktor Orban or cynical opportunists such as Boris Johnson can convince supporters that they are the only defense against national decline or even extinction.

Second, nationalist narratives encourage double standards: They rationalize whatever one’s own side does while depicting similar behavior by others in the worst possible light. Americans condemn President Vladimir Putin’s Russia for its actions in Ukraine (and they are certainly worthy of condemnation), but we forget that we’ve done plenty of similar things in the past. It is more than a little ironic, for example, when the same people who loudly demanded that the United States invade Iraq in 2003 (on the basis of dubious arguments and manufactured “evidence”) were quick to attack Russia for its interference in Ukraine. Can you spell “hypocrisy”? Similarly, U.S. officials like Secretary of State Mike Pompeo routinely portray Iran as a relentless aggressor, blithely ignoring all the moments when the United States has used its vastly greater military powers to interfere in states that had done nothing to attack us. Mind you, I’m not defending Russian or Iranian conduct; I’m just showing how nationalist blinders make it harder to see what is really going on.

Third, nationalism can get in the way of potential political compromises, especially when supposedly sacred national territory is involved. There was no rational reason for Serbia to try to retain Kosovo back in 1999 (the local population was overwhelmingly made up of hostile Kosovars and the region itself was of no great strategic or economic value), but Belgrade could not let it go because it was the cradle of Serbian national identity. Similarly, the inability of contemporary states to solve lingering territorial disputes (whether in Kashmir, the East China Sea, the Sakhalin Islands, or wherever) owes much to the power of national feeling. Not so very long ago, states ceded or sold territory when it made strategic or financial sense for them to do so, and they usually did it without much controversy. (The United States got the Louisiana Purchase from France and Alaska from Russia in just this way, for example). Today, such actions are almost unheard-of, because nationalized populations resist giving up anything that is seen as part of the country’s sacred territory.

Relatedly, nationalism makes cross-border empathy and understanding more elusive. Because all nations sanitize their own history, downplaying or denying their past transgressions and portraying their own actions as consistently noble and benevolent, they frequently won’t remember harms they have done to others. If they do remember it, it will be in a sugar-coated and self-serving form. As a result, subsequent generations won’t understand why others might have a very different view of the past, and thus a different view of the first state’s motivations and character. In some cases, of course, this phenomenon may be present in both countries and make the level of mutual misunderstanding even greater. The result: Each side won’t fully grasp why the other has good reason to be wary or suspicious, and each will be prone to interpret prudent defensive behavior as evidence of irrevocably malign intent. One need only consider the stubbornly toxic relationship between the United States and Iran to see how powerful and enduring such dynamics can be.

Fourth, nationalism has long been a potential source of overconfidence, because most (all?) national myths include subtle or not-so-subtle claims to superiority. Not only is our nation different from all others, we are taught, it is also better. Nationalism is hard to separate from national pride, and pride makes it harder to believe that outsiders could ever beat us in a fair fight. This tendency doesn’t mean that every tiny David thinks he can beat mighty Goliath (i.e., even proud nations sometimes recognize when the balance of power is stacked against them), but can still lead to arrogance and wishful thinking. It is no accident, I suspect, that die-hard Brexiteers believe leaving the EU will both restore British autonomy (yes) and usher in a new era of British prosperity and greatness (no). Brexit proponents may have known such claims were dubious and used them for for purely cynical reasons, but the blatant appeal to national pride made audiences more likely to accept them.

Nationalism is not without its virtues, of course. Convincing individuals to make sacrifices for the common good is not a bad thing, and a healthy degree of political unity and pride in a country’s genuine accomplishments is surely preferable to the rancorous, open-ended struggles that divide many democracies today. Binational or multinational states without a tradition of assimilation do not have an inviting history, and efforts to grant autonomy to every self-identifying nation inside a country would probably lead to ruinous levels of dysfunction and eventual dissolution.

In any case, nationalism ain’t going away. The challenge, therefore, is to acknowledge its value and limit its vices. That is, of course, easier said than done. At the very least, its power and persistence needs to be recognized and respected. Among other things, a healthy respect for nationalism’s power would discourage powerful states from thinking they can remake the world according to their own particular designs, and help us avoid the hubristic fantasies that have caused so much harm in recent years. We live in a world of bristling nationalisms, that’s not going to change anytime soon, and acknowledging that is a good basis on which to construct a more realistic foreign policy.
 
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The idea of the nation is relatively new, so I'd say you can defeat nationalism by redefining the way we organize ourselves.
Easier said than done, though, and once it is done that organization will present new problems.
 

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The idea of the nation is relatively new, so I'd say you can defeat nationalism by redefining the way we organize ourselves.
Easier said than done, though, and once it is done that organization will present new problems.
What's your definition of a nation? Because I don't think its a new concept
 

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What's your definition of a nation? Because I don't think its a new concept
Well, for a long time (and in some places today), people identified and organized themselves by religion. In other places and other times people identified themselves based on their King/Emperor, etc. Identifying yourself based on the dirt you were born started in the western world around the 16th century or so.

A good example of this is Afghanistan. The "modern" world has attempted to implement nationhood on people who have tribal identities. They don't give a shyt about, or have any loyalty to Afghanistan as an idea (with the exception of the few urban areas), and we just cant quite understand why Democracy cant work their.
 

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OP is right.

You cannot defeat nationalism for the reasons mentioned in the piece.

Shogun you're right in the sense that in some places and among some people, tribal identities are more important than a national identity. BUT, even in those places, the manner by which the tribal groups attempt to gain and maintain power is through establishment and control over the nation state. Either they attempt to take over an existing nation (Afghanistan and entire Middle East), or they attempt to break off and establish their own (Yemen, Sudan, Kurds, Serbia).

The key, IMO, is to ensure that nationalism doesn't become equated solely with one racial/ethnic group. That's the difficult part, b/c when that happens inevitably slaughter of the others will be set in motion.
 

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OP is right.

You cannot defeat nationalism for the reasons mentioned in the piece.

Shogun you're right in the sense that in some places and among some people, tribal identities are more important than a national identity. BUT, even in those places, the manner by which the tribal groups attempt to gain and maintain power is through establishment and control over the nation state. Either they attempt to take over an existing nation (Afghanistan and entire Middle East), or they attempt to break off and establish their own (Yemen, Sudan, Kurds, Serbia).

The key, IMO, is to ensure that nationalism doesn't become equated solely with one racial/ethnic group. That's the difficult part, b/c when that happens inevitably slaughter of the others will be set in motion.
I agree that the nation state, or at least the idea of it, is what we currently use to control/legitimize people. I guess I just think that hasn’t always been the case, and since it hasn’t, it doesn’t always have to be the case. In our lifetime, no, nationalism isn’t going anywhere....but it’s likely that it will someday.
 

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OP is right.

You cannot defeat nationalism for the reasons mentioned in the piece.

Shogun you're right in the sense that in some places and among some people, tribal identities are more important than a national identity. BUT, even in those places, the manner by which the tribal groups attempt to gain and maintain power is through establishment and control over the nation state. Either they attempt to take over an existing nation (Afghanistan and entire Middle East), or they attempt to break off and establish their own (Yemen, Sudan, Kurds, Serbia).

The key, IMO, is to ensure that nationalism doesn't become equated solely with one racial/ethnic group. That's the difficult part, b/c when that happens inevitably slaughter of the others will be set in motion.
nationalism is often rooted in a shared history, culture and language. So a lot of times national identity and tribal identity coincide. Or atleast thats how it starts. Like prussia
 

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For many oarts in the article you can replace nationalism with patriotism & even partisanship.

But yes you can defeat it, by teaching in early education that this is stolen land & whites are not natives but just colonial settlers aka invaders.

The whiteman, the first illegal immgrant, the first caravan with ill intentions.
 

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I agree that the nation state, or at least the idea of it, is what we currently use to control/legitimize people. I guess I just think that hasn’t always been the case, and since it hasn’t, it doesn’t always have to be the case. In our lifetime, no, nationalism isn’t going anywhere....but it’s likely that it will someday.

I see your point but I think it's more semantics than anything else. Ancient Greece was a nation state. Egypt was a nation state. The only reason many historians point to modern times as the beginning of the nation state is bc it was at this point that representative democracy/republics (rather than monarchies) began to dominate.

nationalism is often rooted in a shared history, culture and language. So a lot of times national identity and tribal identity coincide. Or atleast thats how it starts. Like prussia

Absolutely. Those are the difficulties. Interestingly enough the US, although for a relatively short period, has been by far the most successful at creating the conditions for a more sustainable nationalism. People come here from all around the world and many completely disassociate themselves from their previous homelands and within a generation they call themselves American. The difficulty, as you and others point out, is that white folks who now see that diversity as a harbinger of their eventual defeat (politically) are now pushing back with the ol time religion.
 

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To those who oppose nationalism or the nation state, what should we replace it with? Is it something we've seen before? Return to tribalism? I cannot imagine the world without the nation state.
 

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Nationalism vs the nation state is a false dichotomy

Ok, so we're keeping the nation state, minus the nationalism? How does that look? I see a lot of critiques of nationalism and separately of the nation state. Whichever you're critiquing, what takes it's place and how does the world look?
 

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Ok, so we're keeping the nation state, minus the nationalism? How does that look? I see a lot of critiques of nationalism and separately of the nation state. Whichever you're critiquing, what takes it's place and how does the world look?

Globalism:steviej:
 
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