You know why Jordan never won a ring without Pippen?

[The_Third_Man]

A star player isn't the only help you can get. If you have solid role players with great chemistry, then you still good. Why do y'all nikkas really think basketball isn't a team game.

AND a great coach

 

[AkaDemiK]

Teams like that one and the pistons of the 2000s are outliers. Where's their dynasty or their ranking as one of the goat clubs?

Talk ya shyt beloved

 

[100Percent]

My managers an old head and the other day he was talking about how much he felt pippen was overrated. Said he was never the superstar people claim he was. Anyone who was an actual adult basketball fan during the 90s bulls dynasty wanna weigh in?

 

[Darealtwo1]

Jordan couldn't win a playoff series without pippen let alone a ring

57 wins with jordan

55 wins without jordan

There was just stuff Jordan couldn't do due to his size he couldn't defend bigger guys like Magic, Bird, Etc

Without pippen Jordan wasn't winning shyt.

 

[Taadow]

Dirk's ring was in a sense similar to Hakeem's in 94 where they had some key role players really step it up in the playoffs (Like Terry & Maxwell) but didn't really have another superstar in their teams helpin em out... they had more of a great ensemble around them...

Let's address this too, while we're at it...

In '94 Robert Horry was in his second season...lottery pick status. And you could say the only reason
he wasn't in the Top-10 was because that was one of the deepest 1st rounds of all time.

Also next to Hakeem was Otis Thorpe...
who was an All-Star, who rarely ever missed, and rarely ever missed games.


Matter of fact:

BOLD PROCLAMATION:

The Clutch City Rockets were a lot like the current Warriors!

*pandemonium*

 

[ryderldb]

And Dirk had one of the great runs in 2011

Got mocked for being sick by LeBron and Wade. Then sonned em both

That wade gif is fukking classic

 

[BXKingPin82]

that and his willingness to trust Phil Jackson
i think it was in "The Jordan Rules" where they said in his first couple of years all MJ cared about was getting scoring titles
which is funny cause he won his first scoring title a year before Phil came and like 8 more in a row or some shyt


I never liked Jordan
but you got CTE if you dont think that man is the GOAT.

 

[Truefan31]

And Dirk had one of the great runs in 2011

Got mocked for being sick by LeBron and Wade. Then sonned em both

One of the worst sonning of all time....Dirk celebratin on their court too....

 

[CJ14]

you sound like a captain obvious, every standard nba fan with some knowledge of history knows that for the most of their careers they played together.

if you take out pippen without bringing back anyone in then MJ would have zero rings. His 2nd best teammate would be horace grant/dennis rodman in those separate threepeat eras. That shyt wouldn't fly. Pippen is one of the best all around players of all time. He was easily the top 10 player in each season from the 90s, how many other nba teams had two top 10 teammates on their squad? Utah? Sonics for one season? Orlando Magic while they had a healthy Hardaway? That bulls team was stacked as hell bruh.

I sound like captain obvious? have you ever read any threads related to Pippen or Jordan in the coli? You know how many times people bring up the fact that Jordan couldn't do shlt without Pippen while pippen's team almost went to the finals in 94? Why do you think i made this thread in the first place?

Pippen IS one of the best all around players of all time and i do agree that he was top 10 for the majority of those bulls runs but you'd be stupid to think that if you replace jordan with pippen in that 94 team, they wouldn't have had a chance at a ring... The truth is we'll never know and don't get me wrong, Pippen was a HUGE part of the Bulls dynasty, i'm not denying that and there's no way they'd have been a dynasty if Pippen wasn't there but i just don't see Jordan not winning atleast one ring without him...

And this thread isn't about shltting on Pippen, i was actually a fan but lately i just see him get overrated to hell, you have people calling him equal to MJ, calling him the 2nd best player of the 90's and saying he was able to take the bulls further than jordan without him than Jordan could without Pippen which is why i made this thread in the first place... you can't compare the 94 bulls with 3 allstars and phil jackson behind the bench to the 85 or 87 bulls which were essentially Jordan's first 2 years in the league with a horrible supporting cast...

 

[Damnshow]

I sound like captain obvious? have you ever read any threads related to Pippen or Jordan in the coli? You know how many times people bring up the fact that Jordan couldn't do shlt without Pippen while pippen's team almost went to the finals in 94? Why do you think i made this thread in the first place?

Pippen IS one of the best all around players of all time and i do agree that he was top 10 for the majority of those bulls runs but you'd be stupid to think that if you replace jordan with pippen in that 94 team, they wouldn't have had a chance at a ring... The truth is we'll never know and don't get me wrong, Pippen was a HUGE part of the Bulls dynasty, i'm not denying that and there's no way they'd have been a dynasty if Pippen wasn't there but i just don't see Jordan not winning atleast one ring without him...

And this thread isn't about shltting on Pippen, i was actually a fan but lately i just see him get overrated to hell, you have people calling him equal to MJ, calling him the 2nd best player of the 90's and saying he was able to take the bulls further than jordan without him than Jordan could without Pippen which is why i made this thread in the first place... you can't compare the 94 bulls with 3 allstars and phil jackson behind the bench to the 85 or 87 bulls which were essentially Jordan's first 2 years in the league with a horrible supporting cast...

coli has a very little moderation on the topics made in sports section, when it comes to MJ, Kobe and LeBron there is a lot trolling going on as these are most talked about players. Some gon say that Pippen was as good as MJ, some going to say MJ could average near 50 points per game in current era, which is clear trolling also.

MJ marketing was so huge he was made into a superhero, leaving a guy like pippen a complete robin, when he was clearly a top 10 player by himself, he could very well be the main guy on the championship contender team. He wouldnt win though, as he did not have elite offense game like MJ, but pippen is definitely underrated by the public.

I just wonder in which year do you think MJ would win it all without Pippen? We talmbout taking out a 20ppg scorer, who is going to step up, the role players who cant create a shot for themselves? It's a team sport after all.

 

[darius19]

lol @ Lebron being the only superstar to beg for help, when it was well known that Kobe was furious from 05-07 that he had no help to compete in the west until they finally got Gasol and a couple other pieces. and this is coming from a guy who loves both players

 

[CJ14]

coli has a very little moderation on the topics made in sports section, when it comes to MJ, Kobe and LeBron there is a lot trolling going on as these are most talked about players. Some gon say that Pippen was as good as MJ, some going to say MJ could average near 50 points per game in current era, which is clear trolling also.

MJ marketing was so huge he was made into a superhero, leaving a guy like pippen a complete robin, when he was clearly a top 10 player by himself, he could very well be the main guy on the championship contender team. He wouldnt win though, as he did not have elite offense game like MJ, but pippen is definitely underrated by the public.

I just wonder in which year do you think MJ would win it all without Pippen? We talmbout taking out a 20ppg scorer, who is going to step up, the role players who cant create a shot for themselves? It's a team sport after all.

I agree with you that we get alotta trolls in here especially when it comes to Jordan, Kobe & Lebron but this thread was mostly directed at the youngins that keep bringing up that 94 Bulls season and how well they did without jordan (which was true) but then they go ahead and say dumb shlt like "well jordan's teams never did that well without pippen" which is why i made this thread to point out why...

and what you said about Jordan's marketing and how pippen was made out to be a complete robin i completely agree with and that's unfortunate because Pippen was a great player on his own... Him being underrated has been true for along time but honestly lately I've just seen more and more people overrate him to the point that it's getting ridiculous... It's like people like to either shlt on him or elevate him to almost MJ status...

And I think if you look at those 94 bulls you'll have your answer... They were without their best player; the best offensive player in the league and a 30+ppg scorer and you had alotta other guys step up (BJ Armstrong for example). And love him or hate him, Phil Jackson mastered that bulls offense to perfection... I just think you give Jordan 2 or 3 years with that team, he'd have won it all atleast once without Pippen... Pippen could have potentially taken em to the finals but i just don't see him being able to beat the rockets, sonics, suns or jazz on his own... Jordan you could see him doing it atleast once IMO because of his mental toughness and how fierce of a competitor he was...

 

[Truefan31]

lol @ Lebron being the only superstar to beg for help, when it was well known that Kobe was furious from 05-07 that he had no help to compete in the west until they finally got Gasol and a couple other pieces. and this is coming from a guy who loves both players

breh LeGM basically drafted his team. He got nobody to blame but himself. He need more help? shyt he the one who got those players, big contracts for TT and JR, got Shump, traded away Wiggins for Love, Deron & Bogut, basically everyone on that squad is there because of LeLoss minus Kyrie, yet he wanna keep complaining about needing more help....

 

[Truefan31]

I agree with you that we get alotta trolls in here especially when it comes to Jordan, Kobe & Lebron but this thread was mostly directed at the youngins that keep bringing up that 94 Bulls season and how well they did without jordan (which was true) but then they go ahead and say dumb shlt like "well jordan's teams never did that well without pippen" which is why i made this thread to point out why...

and what you said about Jordan's marketing and how pippen was made out to be a complete robin i completely agree with and that's unfortunate because Pippen was a great player on his own... Him being underrated has been true for along time but honestly lately I've just seen more and more people overrate him to the point that it's getting ridiculous... It's like people like to either shlt on him or elevate him to almost MJ status...

And I think if you look at those 94 bulls you'll have your answer... They were without their best player; the best offensive player in the league and a 30+ppg scorer and you had alotta other guys step up (BJ Armstrong for example). And love him or hate him, Phil Jackson mastered that bulls offense to perfection... I just think you give Jordan 2 or 3 years with that team, he'd have won it all atleast once without Pippen... Pippen could have potentially taken em to the finals but i just don't see him being able to beat the rockets, sonics, suns or jazz on his own... Jordan you could see him doing it atleast once IMO because of his mental toughness and how fierce of a competitor he was...

Anyone old enough to have really watched the Bulls would've seen they weren't gonna win rings w/o MJ. In 94 they were good, they overachieved, you figure they added Kukoc that year too.....and they still lost in the 2nd round.

 

[HabitualChiller]

I keep seeing this bullshyt posted time after time "But But But Jordan never won shyt without Pippen", Jordan's whole Bulls tenure WAS with Pippen Minus his first 3 years in the league, His rookie year (which he won the rookie of the year), his 2nd year where he missed almost the entire season and his 3rd year where he came back from a major injury and established himself as a superstar... Out of which of those 3 seasons did you expect him to win a championship?!?!?... Pippen had an allstar Bulls team in 94, at the Prime of his career with Phil Jackson masterminding the offense behind him and you compare that to jordan's rookie year or 3rd year coming back after almost missing the entire season the year before??? and I like how cats keep forgetting that Bulls were just abit over .500 when Jordan came back in 95 and they went on a winning streak to the playoffs...

you'd be a dumbass to think Jordan wouldn't have won a ring without Pippen, just like those dumbasses that think that Jordan woulda won 6 rings without Pippen... Give both of em their due but god damn stop overrating the shyt out of Pippen...

Why didn't he even get to the Finals in 87, 88 and 89? That 88' Finals is on him. If Jordan had a 3pt shot, then the Jordan Rules become null and void.

Well that's just me holding him to the LeBron standard.

Jordan would've lost to the Lakers if they were healthy back in 91' anyways..