Young brehs discuss the Gavin Newsom problem
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Nah. If you have a difficult time voting for whoever the democratic leader is, vs a Republican, I would appreciate it greatly if you can let your feelings known in this thread.
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MoshpitMazi
Moshpit Gxng/ Anti Fash
Nah, that’s actually wild
Roger king
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Right wing grifters and charlatan, their is no newsom problem this guys are trump supporting grifters starting the psyops years in advance of the election because they know gavin is a strong contender to get the nomination, the goal is to promote apathy right from the outset like they did with hilLary and kamala, there is no issue with newsom, he will be a better president for black people and the country in his sleep than trump or anyone in the GOP would be, we cant play this fake concern bs games anylonger
I have said it and I will say it again: take primaries seriously. If not letting these mothafukkas on the Republican side means voting for a mothafukka like Gavin, sign me up. What people seem to miss is President isn't the only office. If Im casting my votes for progressives all around the ticket, I don't care that Gavin is at the top.
Mamdani is doing WORK in NY but guess what? He still has to work with Holcul to get the state to buy in. You will NOT get a 100% progressive sweep. So vote like your fukking life depends on it in the primaries. If we creep toward a Progressive majority in short order, they can't help but sway that way at the top. The problem is hoping the President or any particular candidate is a progressive and completely tuning out if they aren't. I don't want the world to burn just because I don't like the top of the ticket.
Mamdani is doing WORK in NY but guess what? He still has to work with Holcul to get the state to buy in. You will NOT get a 100% progressive sweep. So vote like your fukking life depends on it in the primaries. If we creep toward a Progressive majority in short order, they can't help but sway that way at the top. The problem is hoping the President or any particular candidate is a progressive and completely tuning out if they aren't. I don't want the world to burn just because I don't like the top of the ticket.
Roger king
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You partake in their false narrative even framing it like that, you let them win on the core issue, there should be no ''if not letting '' newsom on his own merits is a very strong and capable candidate who would be better than trump and every single republican full stop, he or any other democrat is the sane and rational choice against the republicans. Thats how you create voter apathy, the far left are setting it up now against the likely candidates they see as having good chances of winning the nomination, the same issue with wes moore and the whole FBA nonsense and reparations, another set up, all democrats are better, we cant play this games anymore, dont give an inch.
Fam, I hear you, but I am not excited about a man who said he won't tax billionaires (Gavin). I am however not a fake "Take them to task" type of voter. Gavin has done some good things in California, but his entire demeanor and his flip flop on if he is leaning progressive or is right-leaning moderate doesn't excite me. Right wingers on his podcast and trying to court them when it looked like that was the direction to take...hes a chameleon. That means he *can* be good for us, but he is too malleable to be anything other than a stop-gap. I would not vote for him enthusiastically BUUUUUUUUUUUT I'm also not telling folks not to, because the alternative is worse.
The mean point in my message was don't let the top of the ticket make you not vote the seats that matter like senate, house, local judges, etc. ALL of that matters but again, a lot of people look at what a President does and decide not to vote at ALL based on that. There will be millions of folks who otherwise would have had candidates they liked that won't vote in Primaries, will see who is at the top of the ticket, and will decide not to vote in the generals as well. That is the nut that needs to be cracked. I agree don't give Republican's an inch but I'm in the middle: I don't "bothsides" but I also am not an enthusiastic blue no matter who voter because the details matter to me. Gavin, if chosen, gets my vote. Like paying bills, I'm not thrilled about it.
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Newsom will create voter apathy, I believe. The Democratic Party seems to be deadset on running the same playbook that gave us a Trump 1. IF we end up with Newsom and if he wins, we still going to have deal with the far right coming on harder during the next set of midterms and presidential election because the underlying issues will still be there
Roger king
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There is always a new shiny bad faith tool by the left to use to attack democrats, in 2016 it was super delegates and wall street bs against hillary in 2020 they tried with the tara reade false rape accusations, in 2024, it was gaza and holocaust harris nonsense, now its a billonaire tax, they will find any issue however small or trite and turn it to an issue, their goal is to ensure no democratic candidate is viable and can win the general election, in other wards continue republican rule in perpetuity. ICE has murdered two americans in broad day light on the street and have come out to say no investigations will be done the agents are back in the field, yet a billionaire tax is the most pressing concern? its a fake set up issue to generate malcontent and start the pysops and the smear process years in advance. Again their primary goal is to ensure the democratic party doesnt win elections. Newsom is a perfectly fine candidate.
You have criticize newsom more in this few posts than you have of the actual racists and fasciss in power, thats the core issue, all the smoke for newsom non for trump and the GOP. The far left did this with drone strikes under obama, it was the worst thing to ever happen, the moment trump got in expanded the strikes they stopped caring about it , because they cant use it as a cudgel against the democrats. same thing on gaza, trump wants to turn it into a beach front property? where are the protests?
The abiding principle should be every single democrat would be better than a republican no qualifiers necessary, joe manchin would be running this country better than trump right now and its not close. Joe manchin would have ordered the flags down for a civil rights icon like jesse jackson , yet trump didnt do that but did so for the racist bigot charlie kirk, stop playing both sides.
My guy, and yes I red your whole post and I mostly agree, but have you NOT ever seen me post? I'm not even attacking this mothafukka, but I'm telling you he isn't exciting folks with say an FDR style of politics. I'm not talking far left, literally the Presidency that lead to restricting the Presidency to two terms.
You clearly haven't seen me talking to these knucklehead bothsiders and "They call us MAGA" when all they DO is criticize Dems and take weird ass right-wing positions. You are barking up the wrong tree if this is what you are getting from what I said. It's February 2026. There is room for a lot of people to step up between now and Spring 2027 when the challengers shape up. I said it and I will say it again: if he wins the nomination, I am voting for him early and i'm not feeling bad about it. I'm not excited about it. The people who should be talked to are the ones not excited who will choose couch. I'm here for the vote. I'm not sure what is being lost in translation.
Roger king
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Thats the thing bro, you shouldn't even give an inch with the 'he isnt exciting folks with an FDR Style of politics'' that already acquiesces to the far left bad faith anti democratic narrative, that alone is helping prop up republicans and their agenda because it stipulates implicitly that there is no enthusiasm ie there is apathy to vote, you never hear republicans say ''he is no ronald reagan'' they move lock step behind their candidate and support them whole heartedly because in their view the worst republican is better than the best democrat, that's the point. I wont give an inch, not one bit.
The GOP are surgical in their ways and its why they have a 6-3 supermajority on the supreme court to enact their political wishlists and goals, they vote every election enthusiastically for every single gop politician regardless of personal feeling because they see the importance in it.
Why should you have to feel excited to get out and vote newsom? the thought of him being able to replace either alito or thomas in a few years should be more motivation for any sane person to vote enthusiatically , stop this FDR BS the far left uses as an excuse
Tony D'Amato
It's all about the inches
I said it when kamala ran, u do not want any democrat with fingerprints on the current state of California to run for national office
The man signed a ban on glocks . And u think he can win in the midwest or south
The man signed a ban on glocks . And u think he can win in the midwest or south
