Young employees are losing out ‘on a lot’ by not going to the office, business experts say

[TEH]

Would You participate on a neg train, on certain posters, if I tagged them?

The ones That support the corporate BS.

 

[Mission249]

Refusing to admit the very real negatives of remote work always comes off as overly defensive, borderline childish to me. As if "if I admit anything's wrong they're gonna take my precious WFH away ".

Let's be real. With remote:
- Onboarding is worse
- Tacit knowledge transfer is worse
- Internships are worse
- Networking is worse
- Collaboration - particular on new teams and new projects - is worse

With that said, I actually prefer remote. But I'm at a different stage of my career than most. Off the strength of the network I built in person, I make a phone call and I'll have a new job next week. I haven't had to actual do an interview in years. I skip the line. Could I have built that network over Zoom calls? Hell no.

My prediction is that in the long run the workforce will split into two groups
1) Remote: 9-5 clock punchers who just want to get in, get the paycheck and get out. The early and mid carer people in this group may have to starting competing with the non-American, remote workforce.
2) In-person: People who leverage their face time to get more carer growth, opportunities and networking.

For now, I'm in group 1.

 

[MidwestD]

These Satanists want you to work in the office during the height of the pandemic, while they hide in isolated places.

And people have the nerve to cape for these big companies.

Big facts, the amount of CEOS I seen do interviews on CNBC and Fox this year on some
"we gotta get people back to the office " while appearing from
home via Zoom was crazy

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

NOPE!And I’m a literal behaviorist, so I know what they are talking about. But there are better ways to learn networking skills than being cooped up in a 4 x 4 cubical with pompous a$$holes 5 days a week for 8 hrs a day.

Power to the motherfukking people. I love the fact that this is creating a quiet populist revolution. People just don’t get it. Our job market and culture fukking sucks. Quarantining literally changed people’s entire way of life. I know families who eat out less, cook more and shifted to entire homesteading lifestyles. People opening their own businesses. Just becoming adjusted to doing more with less.

If America becomes a minimalist society and social media stops promoting rampant materialism which DRIVES a lot of the workers in these industries, these companies are going to see huge gaps in employment.
But contrary to popular belief, this might be healthier for Americans socially than the toxic ass workplace environment.

I’m on academia so it’s different for us. Either way I’m straight and spoiled. I’ve never been good at 9-5 anyway. I like my 3/3 teaching load. And teaching asynchronous classes online is just

 

[Silky Johnson]

People in their mid 30s to upper 40s getting mad at this logic. As if this isn’t specifically about what younger employees are missing.

Nothing wrong with remote work for people who have already mastered the office setting.

Let them miss the art of navigating micro aggressions, office gossip and useless team building events.

Hov did that so they wouldn't have to go thru that

 

[Wild self]

U ready for the neg train now?

 

[Wild self]

Thank you. Majority of the Coli has no self awareness

Catch COVID and tell me is it worth endangering people for money...

 

[JuvenileHell]

Catch COVID and tell me is it worth endangering people for money...

What's disgusting is that folks are really believing that CEOs want people back in the office, because they care about them If there is ANY undeniable proof that these corps only care about money, it should be bosses trying to get employees back in the office during a fukking pandemic that is killing people (damn near a million in the US!)

 

[Wild self]

What's disgusting is that folks are really believing that CEOs want people back in the office, because they care about them If there is ANY undeniable proof that these corps only care about money, it should be bosses trying to get employees back in the office during a fukking pandemic that is killing people (damn near a million in the US!)

any corporation that tries that now, and an outbreak made everyone sick with long-term COVID, imagine the lawsuits, the random acts of violence, and bad publicity it will get?

 

[Mission249]

But there are better ways to learn networking skills

It's not about "learning networking skills" it's about actually networking.
What are those better ways? Think about a kid straight outta college. Be specific.

Power to the motherfukking people. I love the fact that this is creating a quiet populist revolution. People just don’t get it. Our job market and culture fukking sucks. Quarantining literally changed people’s entire way of life. I know families who eat out less, cook more and shifted to entire homesteading lifestyles. People opening their own businesses. Just becoming adjusted to doing more with less.

I agree with this but I'm still asserting that y'all are so in love with the pros that you're completely ignoring the cons. Early career people (specifically in tech, my expertise) are hurting. I mentor and observe them daily. We have to be able to have a nuanced conversation about it in order to fix it. That should be real clear to a behaviorist like you.

Right now every critique of WFH is taken as a personal slight cause everyone's overly defensive. I get it. We like working in our pajamas.

But look at academics, especially for children. Everyone was acting like online learning was this perfect savior. We learned real quick that it was garbage and students needed to interact with each other to some extent.

Now we're being willfully ignorant and acting like as soon as they join the workforce all in person interactions can be 100% shut down. And I'm someone who happily worked remotely for years before COVID

 

[Silky Johnson]

Young tech workers (front & back end support. I can't speak on the development/software side) are hurting because old tech departments have doubled down on ineffecient processes, stale SLAs and outdated computing practices instead of spending these last two years modernizing systems and workflows.

It's not about "learning networking skills" it's about actually networking.
What are those better ways? Think about a kid straight outta college. Be specific.


I agree with this but I'm still asserting that y'all are so in love with the pros that you're completely ignoring the cons. Early career people (specifically in tech, my expertise) are hurting. I mentor and observe them daily. We have to be able to have a nuanced conversation about it in order to fix it. That should be real clear to a behaviorist like you.

Right now every critique of WFH is taken as a personal slight cause everyone's overly defensive. I get it. You like working in your pajamas.

But look at academics, especially for children. Everyone was acting like online learning was this perfect savior. We learned real quick that it was garbage and students needed to interact with each other to some extent.

Now we're being willfully ignorant and acting like as soon as you join the workforce all in person interactions can be 100% shut down. And I'm someone who happily worked remotely for years before COVID

 

[⠝⠕⠏⠑]

It's not about "learning networking skills" it's about actually networking.
What are those better ways? Think about a kid straight outta college. Be specific.


I agree with this but I'm still asserting that y'all are so in love with the pros that you're completely ignoring the cons. Early career people (specifically in tech, my expertise) are hurting. I mentor and observe them daily. We have to be able to have a nuanced conversation about it in order to fix it. That should be real clear to a behaviorist like you.

Right now every critique of WFH is taken as a personal slight cause everyone's overly defensive. I get it. You like working in your pajamas.

But look at academics, especially for children. Everyone was acting like online learning was this perfect savior. We learned real quick that it was garbage and students needed to interact with each other to some extent.

Now we're being willfully ignorant and acting like as soon as you turn 21 all in person interactions can be 100% shut down.

I think you mentioned part of the problem when you said straight out of school. Instead of a model that relies on graduates to magically jump gung ho into networking after receiving zero training in the field, those soft skills should be incorporated into their formal education. The place they’ve spent the last 12 years of the majority of their lives.

All the problems you described could be resolved by an actual rigorous, curriculum that emphasizes authentic learning skills.
The answer to social skills deficits isn’t to encourage tired, disgruntled, poor Americans to just grin and bear the shytty work environment just to learn how to network. It’s to build these skills into the learning experiences of our nation’s compulsory education system.

Our children or future workforce should come OUT with these skills instead of needing to get them on the go. Part of my side hustle is literally working with individual families to train their teenagers in soft skills (I.e. public speaking, networking, resume building, interviewing skills). It’s almost criminal to make money off shyt a lotta people in my generation got for free from school. That’s the missing piece.

But the lack of real authentic instruction, critical thinking skills and absence of social-emotional learning in schools actually foreshadows these issues.

It’s bigger than Americans just wanting to stay at home in their pajamas. They are literally rejecting the entire system which should signal to the powers that be that it was fukked up and unsustainable from the get go. But instead of addressing the issues that make people miserable, higher ups are fearmongering. If this country goes through another period where they get the opportunity to explore their talents outside of the rat race and shift back to becoming less dependent on outside sources for basic needs, we might see an entire cultural paradigm shift. For better or worse.

 

[LDC]

I agree with this but I'm still asserting that y'all are so in love with the pros that you're completely ignoring the cons. Early career people (specifically in tech, my expertise) are hurting. I mentor and observe them daily. We have to be able to have a nuanced conversation about it in order to fix it. That should be real clear to a behaviorist like you.

Right now every critique of WFH is taken as a personal slight cause everyone's overly defensive. I get it. We like working in our pajamas.

But look at academics, especially for children. Everyone was acting like online learning was this perfect savior. We learned real quick that it was garbage and students needed to interact with each other to some extent.

Now we're being willfully ignorant and acting like as soon as they join the workforce all in person interactions can be 100% shut down. And I'm someone who happily worked remotely for years before COVID

Same boat. Man I love working at home/saving gas/not having to deal with (certain folk'..) BS, but I'm years deep at this point, so I know my job in and out. I'm seeing the same thing with the fresh out of undergrad kids. Everybody has a point that the CEOs etc don't give a fukk about the people and they definitely have ulterior motives with these type of articles. But if you're fresh out of school in a skilled field, and it's a career you actually want and not a "job", these early years are key and missing this shyt in a normal environment will mess up your development. The focus should be on keeping the people safe so we need to be working at home as much as we can now, but face the facts.. there's never going to be a 100% work culture shift across the board and things WILL go back to some type of normal when this is over (if ever ). I know we're going to be a hybrid model and that's probably what we'll see in most places.

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

was home for like a year and a half and literally got promoted at work without even seeing anyone face to face

 

[Deep_Black_Conscious]

NOPE!And I’m a literal behaviorist, so I know what they are talking about. But there are better ways to learn networking skills than being cooped up in a 4 x 4 cubical with pompous a$$holes 5 days a week for 8 hrs a day.

Power to the motherfukking people. I love the fact that this is creating a quiet populist revolution. People just don’t get it. Our job market and culture fukking sucks. Quarantining literally changed people’s entire way of life. I know families who eat out less, cook more and shifted to entire homesteading lifestyles. People opening their own businesses. Just becoming adjusted to doing more with less.

If America becomes a minimalist society and social media stops promoting rampant materialism which DRIVES a lot of the workers in these industries, these companies are going to see huge gaps in employment.
But contrary to popular belief, this might be healthier for Americans socially than the toxic ass workplace environment.

I’m on academia so it’s different for us. Either way I’m straight and spoiled. I’ve never been good at 9-5 anyway. I like my 3/3 teaching load. And teaching asynchronous classes online is just

I've been thinking about getting into academia either Math PhD or something related to math/biology e.g in the higher levels e.g chemistry, psychology, etc.
I have a few time travel theories but that's all I'm going to say
Respect to anyone pursuing a PhD or any form of higher level academia