Your least favorite hip hop narratives

[Wild self]

"it's only entertainment"

Or even better

"Stop hating, he getting money" as an excuse to making shytty music while outright being a hypocrite, disrespecting people that are super talented that takes their craft seriously. Thats why the Apollo Theatre used to "boooo" shytty performers that half-assed their craft back in the day.

Having no quality control ruined black music in its entirety.

 

[Wild self]

And the "I'm just reporting on what I see from the hood" when they add nothing new or uniquely profound and copying Pac or what the major labels find to be cool. Being a "reporter" means that you shouldn't incriminate yourself in the 1st person doing crimes to claim your authenticity.

 

[nahnah]

Soul on Ice had shyt beats. It's one of the most cohesive sounding hip hop albums

Tupac wasn't lyrical. Normally trotted out by 00's underground hiphop gimps

 

[Wild self]

I think it's more the labels pushing the goofiest, wack nikkas from the South and almost no one else. The South themselves didn't help, though. Between little to no Hip-Hop culture being popular (little or most likely no scratching, beat boxing, graffiti or Hip-Hop dance in the videos, or reverence for the culture/pioneers), and them making it cool to be wack at rapping (the crying over Nas' HHID album was mostly "not everyone is nice", or "nikkas wanna talk about partying and bytches" which was a lot of them telling on themselves). They got the top spot and abandoned the culture for strippers, tricking and ignorance. Eventually, even the southern rappers that had Hip-Hop culture in them went away. NY put the nail in their own coffin by following and trying to sound like that trash and watering down the sound. Now, they have a whole generation of kids who basically aren't New Yorkers, artistically.



No excuses for an alleged GOAT who got an old song with the rhymes already on there.

This

THIS!!

 

[raoulduke187]

people putting Jay-Z in the GOAT category

 

[Deadman187]

50 destroying the "unity" in NY is complete bullshyt. NY have been going at each other ever since The Bridge wars

Jay vs Nas/Meeno/Prodigy
Biggie vs Rae/Ghost/BCC
Nore vs Trag
Lox vs State Prop
Nas vs Cormega/Prodigy/Dipset
X vs Ja
Dipset vs Mase
Foxy vs Kim
Even low tier nikkas like Mr Cheeks and Royal Flush / Sauce Money and Nature were beefing

 

[Sankofa Alwayz]

Are yall intentionally not acknowledging the post I quoted.. Or do yall see only see Nas name here? The point of my post was to prove how dumb his post was.

That ain’t even how you worded that shyt slim but aight lol

 

[_genocidecutter_]

Biggie saved the east coast when Death Row and the west were on top. That bullshyt has been spread for almost 30 years. When Death row first blew up with the chronic , Onyx had come out and went platinumm masta ace released a dope album that got spins, Wutang and Tribe in 93.. Then Snoop dropped a classic debut. After that, Nas dropped Ilmatic a few months later, Jeru's debut, and there were a lot of albums in between that. And some of them sold well. So Biggie did NOT bring the east coast back as the myth states

Dont forget Enta the Stage dropped in 93

 

[$cam-U-Well_Jack$on]

Interesting takes.

 

[How Sway?]

Have you listened to a drill artists mixtapes/albums?

The songs that blow up will never not be about killing cause that’s what people like and there’s a market for it but every artist G Herbo, FBG Duck, Dirk, Von, Coachdaghost that I’ve heard so far have songs about the plight of the lifestyle

 

[bigde09]

That black people never fukked with Eminem. Everyone did from 99-03

 

[Tommy Gibbs]

I forgot to mention my least favorite hip hop narrative:

"kids couldn't' afford instruments, so they got into djaying for hip hop"

That is the biggest lie in hip hop history. I have dj'd for decades and I play a few instruments. When you buy 1 instrument, you normally have to keep it in great shape and buy things for it to keep it functional. The price of that is nowhere near compared to the cost of being a DJ. I'm not gonna go by today's standard of pricing which includes laptops and $1500 mixers, I'm gonna use the late 70s and early 80s

you had to buy 2 turntables, a mixer, 2 cartridges, A SPEAKER SYSTEM, and all of that before you even bought a single record.. As a trick dj, you'd of course need doubles(no final scratch or serato in the 70s-90s). Now, does that seem cheaper than buying 1 instrument in any era?

 

[Taadow]

This was always a dumb one because when it took off, a lot of the top Southern artists at the time were more lyrical than the top selling NY acts.

I know that snap music and ringtone rap garbage was from the South but NY was jocking Dip Set and G-Unit heavily at the time and aside from Cam and Banks most of those dudes was questionable lyrically, getting by on swag and production. Wayne, TI, Luda and Ross, even Jeezy were nicer lyrically than most the popular NY acts from that era

I see what you’re saying, but:

This narrative is older than what you’re talking about, because it depends on when people argue when hip-hop “died”.

Way before the Snap/Ringtone era, people using this narrative were talmbat Bass and bootyshake music being bad for the game because a few records would blow up every now and then. Cuts like “My Baby Daddy”, “Raise The Roof”, “Back Dat Azz Up”, “Who Dat” & “Whistle While You Twurk”, et al. The narrative was:

“Look, all of that music got its place - but it’s not supposed to be as successful as it is because it ain’t Real Hip-Hop”...like Hip-Hop wasn’t invented at and for parties.

And the other side of the coin is that a lot of rappers of The South had lyrics but they didn’t get their proper due simply because they were Southern. I will admit I am biased - I don’t think T.I., Ross, and Jeezy are that great as rappers. It baffles me that they get more props than Eightball & MJG, UGK, Mystikal, Tela, Thrill Da Playa, and some others. IMO, I think that is people overcompensating for the South rap they didn’t listen to back in the day.

 

[Taadow]

em killed jay on renegade

It was a song where both rappers were talking about their clashes with the media and critics. nikkas weren't in a freestyle battle

I feel like it kicked off the most basic, low hanging fruit discussion you can have about rap especially on tracks that don't even warrant it. nikkas be on the internet talkin bout who killed who on still tippin

I have mixed feelings about this one.

On one hand: I agree fans/stans have this chit bad, and that “who killed who on this record” is low hanging fruit discussion.
I personally don’t listen to rap checking for that.

However - we have to admit that rappers be on that.
We have too many examples of rappers changing their verses and re-writing after so-and-so laid their feature because the main artists wanted to have the better verse, or these two rappers have secret beef and they did the record together to covert diss each other, etc.

 

[Taadow]

Pac was definitely a superstar even after his first album dropped. Juice actually pushed him over into stardom if we want to be honest.

Even though this is true to some degree - he was superstar musically by that point, anyway.

To say he wasn’t denies that “Brenda’s Got A Baby”, “Holler If Ya Hear Me”, “I Get Around”, and
“Keep Ya Head Up” weren’t monster records. Plus him having two of the most notable features of the
day (“Same Song”, “Gotta Get Mine”).