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A. Because at least religion has a possible explanation for how it works - they believe in a supernatural diety that controls things.

Astrology has no plausible explanation. It was founded as a science, but by people who didn't understand science, so once they found out the science was wrong they had nothing to fall back on. It's literally impossible for anything astrologers say to be true from any religious OR scientific explanation. They have literally no foundation for their beliefs.

Your explanation didn’t change my mind at all. God bless:russ:
 

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Breh, that juezling-ass link admits that all the constellations have changed in the sky and then tries to say, "But, uh, astrology is based on the seasons, not the constellations."

Ignore that the seasons are completely different depending on where on Earth you live. :snoop:

And also ignore that everyone in a place lives through the exact same seasons at the exact same time no matter which day/hour/minute they were born in...but lives through completely different seasons than someone born on the same day but on the other side of the world. :francis:

And yeah, when it comes to stars I'll believe NASA before I believe astrologists. :heh:
You're completely ignorant to astrology and you appear to be happy about it. And you just proved my argument. ASTROLOGY IS 100% based on where and when you were born. ALL charts need to know your birth time and location. Keep on arguing just to argue though. What else u got?
 

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Basically, if the books say that your sign and yours aren't a fit then I expected our friendship,work dealings and etc to go to the left.

However I've been proven wrong by reality. Most of the people who I'm cool with and are close to me are born under signs that are supposedly not compatible with mine.

Breh, they're way ahead of you. They'll use the sun sign alone to explain all sorts of things. But when you point out that the sun sign gets it wrong, then suddenly they'll bring in a new influence and use that explanation. But when you point out they get that one wrong too, then they'll bring in a new influence. They can NEVER be wrong because they can always keep bringing in new influences. It's the ultimate goalpost-shifting philosophy of life.

They claim that all this shyt has scientific accuracy to it, but they won't admit that anything they say can ever be proven wrong. We had a thread where I pointed out that numerous factual claims were completely wrong (like they claimed that a confluence had happened in WW2 and I showed it actually happened in 1948, three full years later). They don't care, they're julze past it EVERY time.



Your explanation didn’t change my mind at all. God bless:russ:
And that's why people laugh at you. You asked. :yeshrug:



You're completely ignorant to astrology and you appear to be happy about it. And you just PROVED my argument. ASTROLOGY IS 100% based on where and when you were born.
Breh, where you were BORN has nothing to do with which seasons and where you live NOW. I moved away from the place I was born 6 months after I was born there. There's plenty of people who are in the womb for 9 months in one place, but are born in a different place, and grow up in a different place after that. Why don't the "seasons" of wherever you were in the womb matter? Why don't the "seasons" where you grow up matter? Why is it ONLY the exact time/date/place of the "birth" that matters?

Hell, my wife spent most of her pregnancy on the opposite side of the world from where our daughter was born, we didn't move there until 2 months before she was born and then we moved away 6 weeks after. The idea that the place/season where she was born matters to the exact minute, but not the place where she was in the womb and doing all her development, is just such nonsense.

And on top of that, no one looks at the SEASONS where they were born. They try to look at the stars. But they don't even have the constellations right cause the charts weren't updated. So how can you claim its the SEASONS that matter, but you ain't looking at the actual season in the actual place, you look at the STARS above that place, but you don't even get the stars right because you don't adjust the charts to reflect the actual change?
 
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Breh, where you were BORN has nothing to do with which seasons and where you live NOW. I moved away from the place I was born 6 months after I was born there. There's plenty of people who are in the womb for 9 months in one place, but are born in a different place, and grow up in a different place after that. Why don't the "seasons" of wherever you were in the womb matter? Why don't the "seasons" where you grow up matter? Why is it ONLY the exact time/date/place of the "birth" that matters?

No one cares about where a person is now. Your zodiac doesnt change because you're 43 and move to Chicago. You dont even know what you're arguing against.
The charts are called BIRTH CHARTS because you are imprinted with the energy around you at birth based on when and where you are born. AKA THE SEASONS.

Also are you arguing that New York City is currently in the same season as Australia? ITS fukkING WINTER IN AUSTRALIA RIGHT NOW BREH. What is your argument?
 

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No one cares about where a person is now. Your zodiac doesnt change because you're 43 and move to Chicago. You dont even know what you're arguing against.
The charts are called BIRTH CHARTS because you are imprinted with the energy around you at birth based on when and where you are born. AKA THE SEASONS.
So you're not imprinted with energy during your 9 months in the womb? Just during that one particular moment of birth? Why would that be true? Do you have a scientific explanation? Do you have a religious explanation? Or is it just magic you made up in your head?

And where does this mystical magical energy come from? Y'all used to tell me that it came from the stars, but now when I showed you that your stars are wrong, you gonna say that energy mystically comes from "the seasons"? So why don't you look up the weather when I was born, why you pretending it's all about the stars?




Also are you arguing that New York City is currently in the same season as Australia? ITS fukkING WINTER IN AUSTRALIA RIGHT NOW BREH. What is your argument?
That the guy born in Australia and the guy born in NYC are both "Cancer" if they happen to be born on July 20th even though they're born in completely opposite seasons and Cancer ain't even the right constellation in the sky. You don't see the problem with that?
 

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I didn’t ask for an explanation. You took that upon yourself so you could feel good about “being smart”
You literally said that you didn't understand. So I gave you the explanation.

If you're the kind of person who would rather just go through life not understanding rather than take explanations seriously, that's on you. I'm the kind of person who goes looking for explanations when I don't understand something, that's how I figure shyt out. I welcome explanations for shyt I don't understand and test the explanations until I figure out what is or isn't true, I don't just plug my fingers in my ears and believe shyt solely cause someone told me with no plausible explanation at all.
 

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You literally said that you didn't understand. So I gave you the explanation.

I’ve heard the same explanation you gave plus others and I still don’t get it. Which is why I didn’t ask for an explanation.
 

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So you're not imprinted with energy during your 9 months in the womb? Just during that one particular moment of birth?
CORRECT. A PERSON IS NOT CONSCIOUS BEFORE THEY ARE BORN. NOW IF U BELIEVE IN DIVINE PLANNING THEN EVERYTHING IS WRITTEN ALREADY ANYWAY, BUT THATS A DIFFERENT CONVERSATION.

Why would that be true? Do you have a scientific explanation? Do you have a religious explanation? Or is it just magic you made up in your head?
IVE MADE UP NOTHING. THESE BELIEFS HAVE BEEN IN PLACE LONG BEFORE ME OR YOU. BUT, PSYCHOLOGY EASILY DETAILS THE IMPRINTING PROCESS IF YOU CHOOSE TO STUDY. FURTHERMORE RELIGION HAS NO MORE EXPLANATION THAN ANYTHING IVE SAID HERE. ITS JUST "GOD SAID". BELIEVE WHAT U WANT. IM NOT HERE TO SHAPE YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM. ONLY TO EDUCATE YOU ON WHAT YOURE ARGUING AGAINST SINCE YOU HAVE NO IDEA.

And where does this mystical magical energy come from? Y'all used to tell me that it came from the stars, but now when I showed you that your stars are wrong, you gonna say that energy mystically comes from "the seasons"? So why don't you look up the weather when I was born, why you pretending it's all about the stars?

THE PLACEMENT OF THE STARS MAKE THE SEASONS SMART GUY!!!!
FOR EXAMPLE: WHEN THE SUN IS CLOSE, YOU GET SUMMER! WHEN THE SUN IS FAR, YOU GET WINTER! SEE HOW THAT WORKS?
ALL ENERGY IS MYSTICAL MAGICAL AND DIVINE SIR. ALL MATTER IS ENERGY. NO ONE CAN TELL YOU WHERE ENERGY COMES FROM OR WHEN IT WAS CREATED. "ENERGY CAN NEVER DIE ONLY CHANGE" IS LIKE THE 1ST RULE OF PHYSICS. TO DENY THAT HUGE CELESTIAL BODIES OF MASS LIKE A STAR (THE SUN) IS NOT RAINING DOWN ENERGY IS ABSURD.






That the guy born in Australia and the guy born in NYC are both "Cancer" if they happen to be born on July 20th even though they're born in completely opposite seasons and Cancer ain't even the right constellation in the sky. You don't see the problem with that?

THEYRE PROBABLY NOT BOTH CANCER BECAUSE THE SUN WAS IN DIFFERENT PLACES WHEN THEY WERE BORN. EVEN IF THE SUN ALIGNS, THERE ARE MANY MORE FACTORS IN ASTROLOGY THAN YOUR SUN SIGN. CHECK THE OP AS ITS CLEARLY ABOUT RISING/ASCENDANT SIGNS
 
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