YOUR Top 10 Singles Of 1999

[JustCKing]

What a lot of those artists have in connection with Missy is that their 99 singles didn’t connect. Obviously putting Hot Boys to the side.

Jay is actually a good example because that album was also saved by a later single (Big Pimping). Not to mention that Jay had already benefitted from the sales boom in a major way in 98-99 with Vol 2.

Is Vol. 3 a flop though. This album still sold millions although markedly slower than Vol. 2.

 

[mobbinfms]

Because it didn't. So you're telling me the following albums were flops:

Vol. 3
Flesh of My Flesh, Blood of My Blood
Tha G Code

^^^ all of these albums sold considerably less than the album that came before. The difference is even after the album cycles, these albums NEVER reached the success of the predecessor.

Then you have these albums that sold slow, which apparently means a flop according to you:

Illmatic (yielded no hits and took almost 2 years to go gold)

Reasonable Doubt

^^^ so if you're telling me that these albums are flops, I will concede because I see where your reasoning and logic is because it would at least be consistent.

But that was never my reasoning or logic. As I recall, feel free to correct me, your definition of a flop was selling significantly less than the predecessor album. So that’s your logic.

I take a far more comprehensive approach to evaluating whether an album flopped. As you can see from my original post on the topic.

It certainly felt like a flop in real time, and as an avowed hater of all things Missy, I was paying closer attention than most, and thus, my opinion should be given more weight than someone who was indifferent to Missy.

That being said, the numbers back it up:

1. Her first album debuted at number 3. The 99 album debuted at number 10 (at a time when sales should have been higher).
2. Her first album was certified gold and platinum at the same time after 2 months. The 99 album was certified gold and platinum at the same time after 8 months. In February of 2000. After Hot Boyz. The fact that the album wasn’t even certified gold in 99 was telling.
3. Her highest charting single from the first album went to #12. She’s a bytch peaked at #90. All In My Grill peaked at #64.
4. According to Wikipedia (I know) the 99 album hasn’t outsold her first album.

It all adds up to FLOP.

 

[mobbinfms]

Increase does not occur in 1999 without 1996 being the catalyst.

Outside of the fact that 1996 has to occur for 1999 to occur, since 1999 is later in time, I don’t follow what you’re saying

 

[mobbinfms]

Those plaques in 1999 just didn't occur out of the blue and I'm sure a lot of those platinum certifications were from late 1998 entries that went plat in 1999.

It’s obvious if you read the article that they are using the date of release, not the date of certification for classifying albums by year.

 

[mobbinfms]

Is Vol. 3 a flop though. This album still sold millions although markedly slower than Vol. 2.

Borderline. It had a considerably higher first week. The first two singles didn’t perform at all on par with Vol 2, but Big Pimping did. It went double plat just as fast as Vol 2 but took a year after that to hit three. Vol 2 was 4x in about six months or so.
So it’s a borderline case. What kind of saves it is Big Pimping and the fact that Vol 2 going 5x plat always felt like a freak occurrence.

In the long run, it’s more of a flop than Missy’s second album.

 

[JustCKing]

But that was never my reasoning or logic. As I recall, feel free to correct me, your definition of a flop was selling significantly less than the predecessor album. So that’s your logic.

I take a far more comprehensive approach to evaluating whether an album flopped. As you can see from my original post on the topic.

And again, you're not being consistent if you're not applying this logic and reasoning to other artists and albums. It matters because you already admitted to hating Missy, so your objectivity is out the window. If you're only applying it to Missy and not the other albums I listed, you're lacking consistency, which hurts your credibility.

 

[mobbinfms]

And again, you're not being consistent if you're not applying this logic and reasoning to other artists and albums. It matters because you already admitted to hating Missy, so your objectivity is out the window. If you're only applying it to Missy and not the other albums I listed, you're lacking consistency, which hurts your credibility.

What other albums am I not applying it to?

 

[Wacky D]

I can't say that Missy flopped with the second album because it still did what the first album did. It just took longer. On the same token, I wouldn't call Mobb a flop.

as of 1999, the album was a flop.

 

[mobbinfms]

as of 1999, the album was a flop.

Finally. The cavalry is here

 

[Wacky D]

It supports what I'm saying regarding the album flopping prior to being saved by the Hot Boyz remix.
The 1st and 2nd singles off the 97 album were hits. Big hits.
The 1st single off the 99 album was not a hit. The second single was a minor hit at best. The album wasn't selling well in 99 and hadn't even gone gold in approx. 5 months.
The album was flopping and then got saved by a remix.

THIS SUMS IT ALL UP.

 

[Wacky D]

Finally. The cavalry is here

I had no clue this was going on all week.

@JustCKing has to be some sort of bot.

all this over his love for missy Elliot OF ALL PEOPLE.

 

[JustCKing]

as of 1999, the album was a flop.

No it wasn't. That's not the way flops work. It's either a flop or it isn't.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

Man I enjoy going back and talking about how things were in real time. Salute


@Wacky D crank out another real time thread that the masses won't seem to believe actually happened

 

[JustCKing]

I had no clue this was going on all week.

@JustCKing has to be some sort of bot.

all this over his love for missy Elliot OF ALL PEOPLE.

Breh, this was NOT for the love of Missy. This entire exchange doesn't exist except for YOU and @mobbinfms catching feelings because @NO-BadAzz mentioned Missy. That is what started it. @mobbinfms kept it going because for whatever reason, he's on a mission to prove Missy flopped. And both you and @mobbinfms said you HATED her.

Don't sit there and point fingers at me when you're the one who caught feelings over the mere mention of Missy in this thread.

 

[NO-BadAzz]

@mobbinfms

That was an interesting point you made about Jay-z, I didn't realize how much Big Pimping helped that album. If Big Pimping is not on that CD, how does that album do??