Youth Sports is a $40 Billion Industry & Private Equity is going to nuke it

Will Private Equity further decay Youth Sports?


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Harry B

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The structure in Europe is different. I'm not an expert, but from my understanding, clubs have scouts who identify talent from an early age who they then recruit to join their academies free of charge. From then it's like you said, it's like an investment they can then capitalize later on.

In the US youth sports, it's overwhelmingly pay-to-play programs where kids/parents have to pay to get into club/travel teams.

To your point, yes they are both capitalism, but the model in the Europe is far better as far as nurturing talented youths.
Europe has fees and it varies by team, age and sport, but if you are a super talent they will most likely pay it for you, and if you need to move they can pay for housing, travels etc. Some very rich clubs, like PL clubs or top French or Spanish club, might have no fees but that type generally can't just join as a kid.

Then they also have a bunch of agents, independents scouts etc. with investors and all types of dirty business.
 
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Capitalism in a nutshell. Greed knows no bounds.

Often get grouped up with dudes my age (middle age) playing golf and the conversation when it comes to their kids playing sports always often lead to the costs of playing. These guys are spending $10K+ per year per kid so their kids can be part of travel teams. That's unheard of when I was growing up.

A friend of mine runs a summer tennis camp. It's from 8-12pm every day for a week and he charges $3K :picard:.

There are a lot of families out there who can afford spending this kind of money. But it's gonna hurt the overall sports youth development in the US if only rich kids can access this type of training.
$3k for a week? Man I remember when I went to camp when I was younger it was like $70 a week. That covered 2 weekly pool trips and every Thursday we’d have a field trip (depending on the trip had to pay extra). Now it wasn’t dedicated to specific sport so not the greatest comparison but still $3k for 1 week is crazy unless your friend is a former pro or has a history of training former pros.
 
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Capitalism in a nutshell. Greed knows no bounds.

Often get grouped up with dudes my age (middle age) playing golf and the conversation when it comes to their kids playing sports always often lead to the costs of playing. These guys are spending $10K+ per year per kid so their kids can be part of travel teams. That's unheard of when I was growing up.

A friend of mine runs a summer tennis camp. It's from 8-12pm every day for a week and he charges $3K :picard:.

There are a lot of families out there who can afford spending this kind of money. But it's gonna hurt the overall sports youth development in the US if only rich kids can access this type of training.
Yup....all it means is that we'll produce less talent (NBA, Olympics etc).

Rich kids with lots of skill will still be "good" but the freaky raw athletes won't make it through.

NFL is the one sport left in America where you can still come from the hood and make it. A 6'4" 250 lb Micah Parsons clone is going to get attention whether he plays for ritzy azz Highland Park or hood azz Roosevelt. The other sports are more skill-based and money/fancy trainers etc., can help you fast track.
 
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The structure in Europe is different. I'm not an expert, but from my understanding, clubs have scouts who identify talent from an early age who they then recruit to join their academies free of charge. From then it's like you said, it's like an investment they can then capitalize later on.

In the US youth sports, it's overwhelmingly pay-to-play programs where kids/parents have to pay to get into club/travel teams.

To your point, yes they are both capitalism, but the model in the Europe is far better as far as nurturing talented youths.
This.

The Euro model finds kids from nice areas, middle class areas AND poor areas. If you got the talent, they'll take you.

American system basically only helps the kids with money.

It's why our soccer still lags behind the rest of the world. You will NEVER see a group of white kids or ADOS kids go outside and just play soccer for fun. Everything involves select teams and organized shyt. Money. That's fine for a goalie but you ain't producing the next Messi or CR7 like that. Rich kids pay to get coached up and they max out as solid "meh" players. A more talented but poor kid never gets the chance here....but he would in Europe.
 

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Europe has fees and it varies by team, age and sport, but if you are a super talent they will most likely pay it for you, and if you need to move they can pay for housing, travels etc. Some very rich clubs, like PL clubs or top French or Spanish club, might have no fees but that type generally can't just join as a kid.

Then they also have a bunch of agents, independents scouts etc. with investors and all types of dirty business.
a kid is exactly the type that get invited to join those clubs. if they see an 8 year old with promise playing in some youth grassroot game or hear about them, that's who gets invited for a trial at the club and the rest is up to their own ability not their parent's financial ability. and it's not just premier league clubs, lower division clubs have academies as well.

per mertesacker, arsenal academy director explains it in this series how competitive it is for london clubs when it comes to talent acquisition.

 

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$3k for a week? Man I remember when I went to camp when I was younger it was like $70 a week. That covered 2 weekly pool trips and every Thursday we’d have a field trip (depending on the trip had to pay extra). Now it wasn’t dedicated to specific sport so not the greatest comparison but still $3k for 1 week is crazy unless your friend is a former pro or has a history of training former pros.

He played tennis in HS :lolbron:

I think it's the area I'm in (Howard County, MD). Parents are willing to pay for it.
 

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:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

As if this is a concern for 99.9% of the posters on this board.
Hey grock: what percentage of men that voted for Kamala, took the COVID vaccine and follow up boosters, watch womens basketball, follow ESPN talking heads every move on social media, and believe all women when they make sexual assault allegations against professional athletes, have a wife, kids, and the appropriate lifestyle and resources to have valid concerns about the cost dynamics of the youth sports experience?

:dead::dead::dead:

The model is the same as its always been. Develop their talents at home through max reps and developing a love of a particular sport and the athletes who excelled in it. Pursue the sports they're best at. Believe me: if your sons have talent, these "travel teams" will waive every and all costs associated with them for the social media exposure alone. Colleges have eyes on at 10u at this point. There's more money/potential for money flowing in than out at a certain age.

Only pocket books this system is hurting are the delusional parents out there that pay to play. If anything, it actually has opened up these sports to MORE kids who historically would have never had a shot at playing past grade 5. Maybe, possibly, potentially, a few diamonds in the rough will be caught that otherwise would have slipped through.

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

The coli worrying about the youth. I've seen it all now. Go argue about Angela Reese you fukking fakkits. No ones fukking you, and if they do, they're not carrying anything to term for you.
Aside from this being a corny undercover Trump supporting post, it’s completely missing the point of the article (which I’m sure you didn’t read).

The model has absolutely changed. “Reps” used to come from community centers, summer leagues and the like. Now it comes from private training and travel, all of which cost money. You can train at home all you want; even then, to train at home, you have to have a decent set up which costs money.

The notion that you won’t have to pay anything if your child is elite is the issue the article is describing; your child won’t become elite in the first place if they don’t have the money and resources for it.

Therefore, if you have ability and talent without the money to fund it, you will fall through the cracks.

This isn’t 1998 anymore; catholic schools and elite boarding schools ain’t just handing out $100k scholarships to top kids. IMG is $85k a year and they’re getting the best of the best. The overwhelmingly majority of those kids ain’t going for free or even close to free.

Even AAU teams aren’t fitting the entire bill unless you’re true prospect. Even the best kids at these schools and programs are paying something now.

If your argument is that sports should only be reserved for the most elite, and the evidence clearly shows you can’t reach that level without spending tens of thousands of dollars nowadays, then it shows that there’s a major change in the model from what it used to be.
 

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a kid is exactly the type that get invited to join those clubs. if they see an 8 year old with promise playing in some youth grassroot game or hear about them, that's who gets invited for a trial at the club and the rest is up to their own ability not their parent's financial ability. and it's not just premier league clubs, lower division clubs have academies as well.

per mertesacker, arsenal academy director explains it in this series how competitive it is for london clubs when it comes to talent acquisition.


You misunderstood what I said. Can’t join, as in your dad just calling and saying hey my kid wants to join.
 

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You misunderstood what I said. Can’t join, as in your dad just calling and saying hey my kid wants to join.
of course not. but this thread isn't about any old body having access to elite training. it's about highly talented kids (as viewed by experts not their parents) regardless of economic background getting access.
 

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of course not. but this thread isn't about any old body having access to elite training. it's about highly talented kids (as viewed by experts not their parents) regardless of economic background getting access.
Yes, and it costs money to attend smaller clubs.
And it costs even more money to attend smaller clubs that play in tournaments that bigger clubs scout at.

Then you have it costing money to go trials at say a mid-tier club, like going to trials at 4-5 clubs might cost you 6-700 euros.

It's all different per country, club, sport, age, and on and on. Now it might be very cheap if you are extremely talented, but if you are extremely talented in the US someone will help you too. Hell we've seen people from the poorest places in Africa find themselves to big leagues. But first you need to get noticed, that's the hardest part.


There's like half a billion kids playing soccer, how a top 20 club like Arsenal does is not a very relevant comparison with the whole US sports system.
 

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That's the real problem, the parents. I see many parents just drop their kids off at training, then go run errands, sit in the car, grandma be taking them, etc. Then wondering why shyt ain't translating in games. YOU still have to work with the kid. Trainers can't control what you do with your kids but if the trainers see that the only time the kids are touching a basketball recreationally is at training, there is only so much they can do. They are starting at a foundational level and only improving at an incremental pace, if they are improving at all. Many kids have sloppy fundamentals and want to fly before they can even walk, forget about crawling. In the case of some of the local kids around here, my son's trainer is relatively popular for people to come see. He has a lot of the top high school talent under his wing, a few college kids and others. As parents start sending their kids to trainers at a younger age, he's becoming sought out more. As I said, he shows my son all the time in his promos for business. My son just has a feel for the game that I sure as shyt never had. I've said it plenty of times, I was an athlete playing basketball, he's a basketball player playing basketball. Vision, dribbling, shooting, defense, situationally, when and how to do certain things at certain times, etc... Like I said, parents see the promos and go, this can be my little Johnny, not truly understanding the work that's put behind the scenes to make it look like this. Only place you will ever find success before work is in a dictionary. I say all that to say, I know that my son won't sniff the NBA as college is the goal. I'm never shy about showing clips because he's that good and validates what I say.

Case in point. My son on July 10th. Both teams they played against were 6-7th graders. My son's team are all kids going into the 6th.

Iso on the right wing, drive right, behind the back pound to the left, quick hesi and gets defender to bite and jump, few dribbles later, finishes on the left side with the left hand.


Starts left, tween hang to the right, couple of dribbles, behind the back pound to the left and hang. A couple dribbles to the left to draw defenders in and then a bounce pass through multiple defenders to a cutting teammate for an And1 opportunity.


Teammate gets the ball on defense, creating fast break opportunity. My kid gets the ball on the left wing, going to the rim. Setting up the defender by slightly going right, sets up the right/left Euro into the left-handed layup. If you listen, the ref did the SportCenter jingle to me after the move because he was impressed by it.


Catches the ball outside the three-point line, rips left, gets past first defender, left/right Euro into the right-handed layup in front of the rim.


Gets the ball after an inbounds pass, comes up on defender who was playing way too far back to truly defend, tween hang to the right, couple of dribbles then tween left and crossover right. Hard behind the back pound to the left, two low left-handed dribbles, left/right Euro to get by defender, right-handed layup in front of the rim.


So, what's going to happen is that he's going to take these clips of my son's, show him in drills similar to these gameplay clips and kinda have them running side by side and parents are going to do the Birdman hand rub. He's played in a lot of places and in person, at his age range, I've never seen a kid handle the ball better than he can. I've never seen vision better than his. On top of that, he's efficient. Because he doesn't settle for 3's all the time and gets to the rim, he's about 50% from the field for this current year. In these two games, He had 18 points out of 70 the first game and 16 points out of 44 the second. His coach doesn't even call plays as we are at the point that my son just figures it out and gets everyone involved. Just cut and run, he'll find you. His future high school coach regularly shows up and watches his games. This shyt is rare at his age brehs. He's 10. It just so happens that this shyt involves my son so that I have to meet these various basketball people from Kentucky or Wisconsin trying to get him on their teams and shyt while we living in Indiana.

All of that to say, outside of just showing off my son, they may make some money off of these gullible parents chasing these dreams for these kids, but this shyt isn't for everyone. There are many kids out there that are playing simply because their parents have money. These are clips from the school team that I've shown and they play year-round. On my son's travel team, you have many kids that are playing because their parents have more money than sense. His travel team isn't good but he always cooks. Parents need to be honest with themselves about the prospects of their kids. Most simply don't keep it real.

That’s dope man. Great parenting. Question, why do you rule out the nba?
 

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That’s dope man. Great parenting. Question, why do you rule out the nba?
I'm six even, wife is 5'3". He's going to end up at a minimum of 5'7" to my height give or take a few inches. Eventually, the genetics factor of height will play a part. He's going to run into someone that's 6'5" and can do the same thing as he can. It's why I focus on running a college style offense with him. Moving the ball, playing off the ball. He probably won't find anyone that can stay in front of him till high school. Now, if he's still getting around people with the ease he is now and scoring, then I'll recalibrate my thinking of his trajectory.

Right now, just being pragmatic about things. The pro ranks are positionless so height is the supreme premium to have. He has a little bit of bounce but that doesn't account for playing a guard with the height of Penny Hardaway. So, where I truly see this going, close to or having a D1 skillset but potentially being overlooked due to height, going to a D2 or NAIA school and likely averaging 16-20 points a game. Full ride in terms of scholarship, which is the ultimate goal. If he gets to 5'10" or higher, then I'll hedge my bets a bit.
 

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I'm six even, wife is 5'3". He's going to end up at a minimum of 5'7" to my height give or take a few inches. Eventually, the genetics factor of height will play a part. He's going to run into someone that's 6'5" and can do the same thing as he can. It's why I focus on running a college style offense with him. Moving the ball, playing off the ball. He probably won't find anyone that can stay in front of him till high school. Now, if he's still getting around people with the ease he is now and scoring, then I'll recalibrate my thinking of his trajectory.

Right now, just being pragmatic about things. The pro ranks are positionless so height is the supreme premium to have. He has a little bit of bounce but that doesn't account for playing a guard with the height of Penny Hardaway. So, where I truly see this going, close to or having a D1 skillset but potentially being overlooked due to height, going to a D2 or NAIA school and likely averaging 16-20 points a game. Full ride in terms of scholarship, which is the ultimate goal. If he gets to 5'10" or higher, then I'll hedge my bets a bit.
Fair assessment. You’re doing an awesome job btw. Congrats
 

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So, what's going to happen is that he's going to take these clips of my son's, show him in drills similar to these gameplay clips and kinda have them running side by side and parents are going to do the Birdman hand rub.

My son's trainer posted today. I don't lie on Al Gore's internet.

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