Youth Sports is a $40 Billion Industry & Private Equity is going to nuke it

Will Private Equity further decay Youth Sports?


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As if this is a concern for 99.9% of the posters on this board.
Hey grock: what percentage of men that voted for Kamala, took the COVID vaccine and follow up boosters, watch womens basketball, follow ESPN talking heads every move on social media, and believe all women when they make sexual assault allegations against professional athletes, have a wife, kids, and the appropriate lifestyle and resources to have valid concerns about the cost dynamics of the youth sports experience?

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The model is the same as its always been. Develop their talents at home through max reps and developing a love of a particular sport and the athletes who excelled in it. Pursue the sports they're best at. Believe me: if your sons have talent, these "travel teams" will waive every and all costs associated with them for the social media exposure alone. Colleges have eyes on at 10u at this point. There's more money/potential for money flowing in than out at a certain age.

Only pocket books this system is hurting are the delusional parents out there that pay to play. If anything, it actually has opened up these sports to MORE kids who historically would have never had a shot at playing past grade 5. Maybe, possibly, potentially, a few diamonds in the rough will be caught that otherwise would have slipped through.

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

The coli worrying about the youth. I've seen it all now. Go argue about Angela Reese you fukking fakkits. No ones fukking you, and if they do, they're not carrying anything to term for you.
 
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funny thing is capitalism is also why the european developmental model works. they either develop a player that they don't have to buy or they're able to sell the player (up or down a level) and get a return on investment.
This way is better imo

At least it's better development for the player usually
 

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funny thing is capitalism is also why the european developmental model works. they either develop a player that they don't have to buy or they're able to sell the player (up or down a level) and get a return on investment.
I don't disagree that the euro model has it's benefits but US sports don't practice relegation which I think throws a huge monkey wrench into things if they wanted to go this route
 

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I've been saying sports teams in the US should've been started their own youth academies that find young teen talent and develop them away from these predatory individuals and institutions.
Especially now that they can pay players before they’re pro
 

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:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

As if this is a concern for 99.9% of the posters on this board.
Hey grock: what percentage of men that voted for Kamala, took the COVID vaccine and follow up boosters, watch womens basketball, follow ESPN talking heads every move on social media, and believe all women when they make sexual assault allegations against professional athletes, have a wife, kids, and the appropriate lifestyle and resources to have valid concerns about the cost dynamics of the youth sports experience?

:dead::dead::dead:

The model is the same as its always been. Develop their talents at home through max reps and developing a love of a particular sport and the athletes who excelled in it. Pursue the sports they're best at. Believe me: if your sons have talent, these "travel teams" will waive every and all costs associated with them for the social media exposure alone. Colleges have eyes on at 10u at this point. There's more money/potential for money flowing in than out at a certain age.

Only pocket books this system is hurting are the delusional parents out there that pay to play. If anything, it actually has opened up these sports to MORE kids who historically would have never had a shot at playing past grade 5. Maybe, possibly, potentially, a few diamonds in the rough will be caught that otherwise would have slipped through.

:mjlol::mjlol::mjlol:

The coli worrying about the youth. I've seen it all now. Go argue about Angela Reese you fukking fakkits. No ones fukking you, and if they do, they're not carrying anything to term for you.

This post made me laugh, but this is 100% truth. I talk about my son a lot in these types of threads because he's living this life. It makes me think about the whole thing against trainers. The problem is that we have parents out there that sign up their kids for training when they don't have any talent.

As I've said before, my son will never sniff the NBA but the basketball people in my town have known that my son could hoop since he was in 2nd grade. He just graduated 5th now. Not everything is for everyone and I watch parents throw their kids into these trainings, without a clue on their kid's ability nor spending time to get them better. I took my son to a trainer after dominating his competition and realizing that I don't know everything so I'm looking for someone to lead and I will supplement the same stuff at home. I can't speak on tennis or other sports but basketball, you should know how athletic your kid is compared to the competition, how many natural talents and gifts they have. If your kid is in 6th grade and can't dribble with their offhand without losing it out of bounds, this might not be for them. However, people can't stand to have their kids left of things.

Speaking to what I said about talent, I watch kids show up for training that can't do the most basic of things, two foot finishes, properly coming off of a pick to step into an open shot, keeping your dribble low. However, when they come to training, a problem is that my son's trainer uses my kid in a lot of his promos on Facebook and Instagram because my son does his stuff flawlessly, in training and in games. The brochure looks nice to other parents but that shyt took years to do and my son was already given a level of athletic fluidity that most will never achieve in their lives. The overwhelming majority of kids simply don't have that. My son has been terrorizing other kids on the basketball court since he was 7, he's turning 11 in a few weeks. He was playing some 6-7th graders in some games last night. He was making them dance when he had the ball. He's been able to euro left to right or right to left and finish with either hand since he was 9 and you got parents bringing their kids into training, wanting water breaks as soon as they break a sweat. I crack up at the absurdity of it all.

Parents are just accustomed to pissing their money away and charlatans will gladly take it.
 

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This post made me laugh, but this is 100% truth. I talk about my son a lot in these types of threads because he's living this life. It makes me think about the whole thing against trainers. The problem is that we have parents out there that sign up their kids for training when they don't have any talent.

As I've said before, my son will never sniff the NBA but the basketball people in my town have known that my son could hoop since he was in 2nd grade. He just graduated 5th now. Not everything is for everyone and I watch parents throw their kids into these trainings, without a clue on their kid's ability nor spending time to get them better. I took my son to a trainer after dominating his competition and realizing that I don't know everything so I'm looking for someone to lead and I will supplement the same stuff at home. I can't speak on tennis or other sports but basketball, you should know how athletic your kid is compared to the competition, how many natural talents and gifts they have. If your kid is in 6th grade and can't dribble with their offhand without losing it out of bounds, this might not be for them. However, people can't stand to have their kids left of things.

Speaking to what I said about talent, I watch kids show up for training that can't do the most basic of things, two foot finishes, properly coming off of a pick to step into an open shot, keeping your dribble low. However, when they come to training, a problem is that my son's trainer uses my kid in a lot of his promos on Facebook and Instagram because my son does his stuff flawlessly, in training and in games. The brochure looks nice to other parents but that shyt took years to do and my son was already given a level of athletic fluidity that most will never achieve in their lives. The overwhelming majority of kids simply don't have that. My son has been terrorizing other kids on the basketball court since he was 7, he's turning 11 in a few weeks. He was playing some 6-7th graders in some games last night. He was making them dance when he had the ball. He's been able to euro left to right or right to left and finish with either hand since he was 9 and you got parents bringing their kids into training, wanting water breaks as soon as they break a sweat. I crack up at the absurdity of it all.

Parents are just accustomed to pissing their money away and charlatans will gladly take it.
I have seen this first hand and agree with you 1000%. Parents are delusional as hell and are the ones ruining youth sports with their delusions. It’s sad as hell, man.
 

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I have seen this first hand and agree with you 1000%. Parents are delusional as hell and are the ones ruining youth sports with their delusions. It’s sad as hell, man.
That's the real problem, the parents. I see many parents just drop their kids off at training, then go run errands, sit in the car, grandma be taking them, etc. Then wondering why shyt ain't translating in games. YOU still have to work with the kid. Trainers can't control what you do with your kids but if the trainers see that the only time the kids are touching a basketball recreationally is at training, there is only so much they can do. They are starting at a foundational level and only improving at an incremental pace, if they are improving at all. Many kids have sloppy fundamentals and want to fly before they can even walk, forget about crawling. In the case of some of the local kids around here, my son's trainer is relatively popular for people to come see. He has a lot of the top high school talent under his wing, a few college kids and others. As parents start sending their kids to trainers at a younger age, he's becoming sought out more. As I said, he shows my son all the time in his promos for business. My son just has a feel for the game that I sure as shyt never had. I've said it plenty of times, I was an athlete playing basketball, he's a basketball player playing basketball. Vision, dribbling, shooting, defense, situationally, when and how to do certain things at certain times, etc... Like I said, parents see the promos and go, this can be my little Johnny, not truly understanding the work that's put behind the scenes to make it look like this. Only place you will ever find success before work is in a dictionary. I say all that to say, I know that my son won't sniff the NBA as college is the goal. I'm never shy about showing clips because he's that good and validates what I say.

Case in point. My son on July 10th. Both teams they played against were 6-7th graders. My son's team are all kids going into the 6th.

Iso on the right wing, drive right, behind the back pound to the left, quick hesi and gets defender to bite and jump, few dribbles later, finishes on the left side with the left hand.


Starts left, tween hang to the right, couple of dribbles, behind the back pound to the left and hang. A couple dribbles to the left to draw defenders in and then a bounce pass through multiple defenders to a cutting teammate for an And1 opportunity.


Teammate gets the ball on defense, creating fast break opportunity. My kid gets the ball on the left wing, going to the rim. Setting up the defender by slightly going right, sets up the right/left Euro into the left-handed layup. If you listen, the ref did the SportCenter jingle to me after the move because he was impressed by it.


Catches the ball outside the three-point line, rips left, gets past first defender, left/right Euro into the right-handed layup in front of the rim.


Gets the ball after an inbounds pass, comes up on defender who was playing way too far back to truly defend, tween hang to the right, couple of dribbles then tween left and crossover right. Hard behind the back pound to the left, two low left-handed dribbles, left/right Euro to get by defender, right-handed layup in front of the rim.


So, what's going to happen is that he's going to take these clips of my son's, show him in drills similar to these gameplay clips and kinda have them running side by side and parents are going to do the Birdman hand rub. He's played in a lot of places and in person, at his age range, I've never seen a kid handle the ball better than he can. I've never seen vision better than his. On top of that, he's efficient. Because he doesn't settle for 3's all the time and gets to the rim, he's about 50% from the field for this current year. In these two games, He had 18 points out of 70 the first game and 16 points out of 44 the second. His coach doesn't even call plays as we are at the point that my son just figures it out and gets everyone involved. Just cut and run, he'll find you. His future high school coach regularly shows up and watches his games. This shyt is rare at his age brehs. He's 10. It just so happens that this shyt involves my son so that I have to meet these various basketball people from Kentucky or Wisconsin trying to get him on their teams and shyt while we living in Indiana.

All of that to say, outside of just showing off my son, they may make some money off of these gullible parents chasing these dreams for these kids, but this shyt isn't for everyone. There are many kids out there that are playing simply because their parents have money. These are clips from the school team that I've shown and they play year-round. On my son's travel team, you have many kids that are playing because their parents have more money than sense. His travel team isn't good but he always cooks. Parents need to be honest with themselves about the prospects of their kids. Most simply don't keep it real.
 
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Private equity is everywhere.

The company I call to handle my plumbing and hvac, they got people leaving left and right. Asked a guy why the other day he said a private equity firm bought the company. Trying to turn them all into salesmen instead of plumbes and hvac techs.

Used to be when you called you talked directly to a person. Called earlier this year to get the maintenance check done on my ac and got the auto prompt that fukked up my request and transferred me to the wrong department.

anywhere private equity operates, high turnover becomes the status quo.
 

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That's the real problem, the parents. I see many parents just drop their kids off at training, then go run errands, sit in the car, grandma be taking them, etc. Then wondering why shyt ain't translating in games. YOU still have to work with the kid. Trainers can't control what you do with your kids but if the trainers see that the only time the kids are touching a basketball recreationally is at training, there is only so much they can do. They are starting at a foundational level and only improving at an incremental pace, if they are improving at all. Many kids have sloppy fundamentals and want to fly before they can even walk, forget about crawling. In the case of some of the local kids around here, my son's trainer is relatively popular for people to come see. He has a lot of the top high school talent under his wing, a few college kids and others. As parents start sending their kids to trainers at a younger age, he's becoming sought out more. As I said, he shows my son all the time in his promos for business. My son just has a feel for the game that I sure as shyt never had. I've said it plenty of times, I was an athlete playing basketball, he's a basketball player playing basketball. Vision, dribbling, shooting, defense, situationally, when and how to do certain things at certain times, etc... Like I said, parents see the promos and go, this can be my little Johnny, not truly understanding the work that's put behind the scenes to make it look like this. Only place you will ever find success before work is in a dictionary. I say all that to say, I know that my son won't sniff the NBA as college is the goal. I'm never shy about showing clips because he's that good and validates what I say.

Case in point. My son on July 10th. Both teams they played against were 6-7th graders. My son's team are all kids going into the 6th.

Iso on the right wing, drive right, behind the back pound to the left, quick hesi and gets defender to bite and jump, few dribbles later, finishes on the left side with the left hand.


Starts left, tween hang to the right, couple of dribbles, behind the back pound to the left and hang. A couple dribbles to the left to draw defenders in and then a bounce pass through multiple defenders to a cutting teammate for an And1 opportunity.


Teammate gets the ball on defense, creating fast break opportunity. My kid gets the ball on the left wing, going to the rim. Setting up the defender by slightly going right, sets up the right/left Euro into the left-handed layup. If you listen, the ref did the SportCenter jingle to me after the move because he was impressed by it.


Catches the ball outside the three-point line, rips left, gets past first defender, left/right Euro into the right-handed layup in front of the rim.


Gets the ball after an inbounds pass, comes up on defender who was playing way too far back to truly defend, tween hang to the right, couple of dribbles then tween left and crossover right. Hard behind the back pound to the left, two low left-handed dribbles, left/right Euro to get by defender, right-handed layup in front of the rim.


So, what's going to happen is that he's going to take these clips of my son's, show him in drills similar to these gameplay clips and kinda have them running side by side and parents are going to do the Birdman hand rub. He's played in a lot of places and in person, at his age range, I've never seen a kid handle the ball better than he can. I've never seen vision better than his. On top of that, he's efficient. Because he doesn't settle for 3's all the time and gets to the rim, he's about 50% from the field for this current year. In these two games, He had 18 points out of 70 the first game and 16 points out of 44 the second. His coach doesn't even call plays as we are at the point that my son just figures it out and gets everyone involved. Just cut and run, he'll find you. His future high school coach regularly shows up and watches his games. This shyt is rare at his age brehs. He's 10. It just so happens that this shyt involves my son so that I have to meet these various basketball people from Kentucky or Wisconsin trying to get him on their teams and shyt while we living in Indiana.

All of that to say, outside of just showing off my son, they may make some money off of these gullible parents chasing these dreams for these kids, but this shyt isn't for everyone. There are many kids out there that are playing simply because their parents have money. These are clips from the school team that I've shown and they play year-round. On my son's travel team, you have many kids that are playing because their parents have more money than sense. His travel team isn't good but he always cooks. Parents need to be honest with themselves about the prospects of their kids. Most simply don't keep it real.


He's lucky he has you to guide him.

As a father of an 11 year old with some talent I commend you cause I know all to well how tricky navigating all this for him is.

It's so many politics in YOUTH sports nowadays with grown adults :snoop:

I'm already knee deep in conversations with high school coaches ( he goes to catholic school and probably will for high school as well) and it's already becoming controversial between family members who support different schools because of their ties.

I hope you and your boy stay close on this journey and don't let none of this industrious BS stop the love of the game, cause that's what's important :salute:
 

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He's lucky he has you to guide him.

As a father of an 11 year old with some talent I commend you cause I know all to well how tricky navigating all this for him is.

It's so many politics in YOUTH sports nowadays with grown adults :snoop:

I'm already knee deep in conversations with high school coaches ( he goes to catholic school and probably will for high school as well) and it's already becoming controversial between family members who support different schools because of their ties.

I hope you and your boy stay close on this journey and don't let none of this industrious BS stop the love of the game, cause that's what's important :salute:
Breh, you are further along in this journey than I am. All anecdotal evidence and knowledge is welcomed. This all started as a boy just playing at the local YMCA on Saturday to this. My son was recruited to play on his travel team. His future high school coach, referenced his grade specifically during his interview a year ago as the class that will be special, largely because of him and a few others. That same coach has said he's never going to see freshman or JV. Varsity all four years. I damn near see it as an obligation to make sure he's ready in three years but we keep the main thing, the main thing. Do you have fun doing it? He does so I'm thankful for that. In March, he's supposed to be on the under armour hoop circuit with Indiana Game for their 6th grade team. Being a sports parent when there are people who are eyeing your kid from such a young age in what is virtually a predatory way is weird. It's why I don't mind sitting behind the camera at games, away from everyone usually. I don't want to get to know most of these people. I don't trust most of the intentions.
 

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The structure in Europe is different. I'm not an expert, but from my understanding, clubs have scouts who identify talent from an early age who they then recruit to join their academies free of charge. From then it's like you said, it's like an investment they can then capitalize later on.

In the US youth sports, it's overwhelmingly pay-to-play programs where kids/parents have to pay to get into club/travel teams.

To your point, yes they are both capitalism, but the model in the Europe is far better as far as nurturing talented youths.
This. Europe and Japan use a socialized model. Universities are an extension of the free youth sports, free of NIL.
 
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