A Song of Ice & Fire by George R.R. Martin: Book Discussion Thread

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

 

[DA_LURKA]

Ain't that George Lucas?

 

[Ozymandeas]

 

[5n0man]

@O.Red what caused the change in your perspective on that book??

The best part of that book to me is getting pov chapters from Jamie and Cercei.

The reveal that Cercei wasn't some manipulative mastermind like she comes across in other character povs, she's actually a really dumb and incompetent narcissist. Her chapters are some of the best in the series because you get to see how loony she is.


Jamie was portrayed as a scumbag in the previous books, but then you read his chapters find out he's actually a good dude who became jaded after saving kings landing and being treated like a villain for it. His chapters are also some of the best in the series.

 

[5n0man]

I think Cersei definitely blows up/burns the Sept in the books. I'm leaning towards burns because I think Cersei's enemies suffering and dying in a sea of wildfire is the type of shyt that aligns with Grrm's storytelling.

I honestly believe Cersei blowing up the Sept is one of the major plot points George gives D&D. We know Cersei knows about the wildfire reserves, and I think it's ironic and devastating to Jamie that she essentially commits the act that he killed Aerys for. Also keep in mind that Jamie is the reason she knows about the wildfire in the first place

I'll be honest once I realized that Griff was going to be completely left out of the show I stopped thinking about him I don't think he has any significant effect on anything. Sure maybe he makes a little noise in Westeros, gets a few banners added to his cause, but to completely erase him for the show tells me his arc reaches a sharp dead end on some Bernie Sanders shyt. I do think the writers liked the idea of Jon Connington having greyscale and just transferred that story onto Jorah. I also think it's reasonable that Connington switches sides when he sees Dany in his face, all of Rhaegar's sister, being the real deal.

And damn how many Winds preview chapters are there?

I think Griff will definitely win the iron throne, leading to another dance with dragons once Dany gets there.

I also think Dany will lose a dragon to
Euron instead of the night king like in the show. Euron seems like he's being built up to be a far bigger threat than he was in the show.

 

[Trav]

 

[Trav]

 

[Remote]

How long has GOT been finished on HBO? Like 6 years?

And the tv show caught up to the books in like 2015?



GRRM ain’t finishing a damn thing.

 

[Mister Terrific]

I was just running in here to post this shyt.


I legit think he saw the backlash of the show and decided to scrap his original ending.

 

[Mister Terrific]

How long has GOT been finished on HBO? Like 6 years?

And the tv show caught up to the books in like 2015?



GRRM ain’t finishing a damn thing.

He doesn’t like writing it anymore




I think he really likes the Targaryen’s and Dunk and Egg. He’d write the shyt out of those if he could but the main storyline he stopped caring years ago. It’s why Feast went off the rails. He didn’t care about ice monsters in the North anymore. He wanted to do palace intrigue and follow around minor characters like Brienne musing on war and chapters of Tyrion cracking evil jokes.

 

[downtheline]

He’s selling wolf tickets, don’t believe that fat man.

Seriously, I hope he does. Looking forward to more Euron and Victarian chapters

 

[The Prince of All Saiyans]

Reportedly Ashton express interest in the project

 

[Piff Perkins]

He doesn’t like writing it anymore




I think he really likes the Targaryen’s and Dunk and Egg. He’d write the shyt out of those if he could but the main storyline he stopped caring years ago. It’s why Feast went off the rails. He didn’t care about ice monsters in the North anymore. He wanted to do palace intrigue and follow around minor characters like Brienne musing on war and chapters of Tyrion cracking evil jokes.

It's not that he doesn't care, it's that he wrote himself into a corner and can't get out. And while tinkering with that he keeps expanding lore and making chapters focus more on characters discussing history than advancing plot. He's lost, and his editor is clearly not strong enough to reign him in.

I think he's excited about his actual plot but can't get all the characters back on track due to the deviations. Meereen, the Ironborn, Dorne...it's too much shyt without a clear cut A/B/C progression. I also think he knows he has to split TWOW into two books but doesn't want to admit defeat yet.

 

[ghostwriterx]

It's not that he doesn't care, it's that he wrote himself into a corner and can't get out. And while tinkering with that he keeps expanding lore and making chapters focus more on characters discussing history than advancing plot. He's lost, and his editor is clearly not strong enough to reign him in.

I think he's excited about his actual plot but can't get all the characters back on track due to the deviations. Meereen, the Ironborn, Dorne...it's too much shyt without a clear cut A/B/C progression. I also think he knows he has to split TWOW into two books but doesn't want to admit defeat yet.

On top of that the show ending probably soured him on the ending he had in mind.

 

[O.Red]

He doesn’t like writing it anymore




I think he really likes the Targaryen’s and Dunk and Egg. He’d write the shyt out of those if he could but the main storyline he stopped caring years ago. It’s why Feast went off the rails. He didn’t care about ice monsters in the North anymore. He wanted to do palace intrigue and follow around minor characters like Brienne musing on war and chapters of Tyrion cracking evil jokes.

Feast didn't go off the rails. You talk about ice monsters in the North like feast ain't the most magical book of them all

This shyt happens every page in this thread It's noteworthy that Feast has been the most discussed book in this thread for years at this point