Boston adds 2nd round pick to finalize the Kyrie Irving trade

[IllmaticDelta]

Breh Kyrie got busy with Lebron on the floor and off..

That's Lebron's Robin. He was most consistent option when he needed to deflect.

Kyrie was the man in cle. He better be ready for that next step in boston...

Coach Brad got himself a little squad this year

kyrie made noone better when lebron sat. I posted these numbers before from 2 years ago

there is a reason delly had more team impact outside of direst scoring than kyrie. The 2015-2016 stats, the championship season

WITH and WITHOUT LeBron James               
            
          WITH     min    per 48  |  WITHOUT    min   per 48  |  DIFFERENCE
Frye     + 3.9     8.2    + 22.8  |  - 2.1    10.7    - 9.4   |  +32.2
Delly    + 5.6    16.8    + 16.0  |  - 0.1     9.1    - 0.5   |  +16.5
Shumpert + 3.4    12.5    + 13.1  |  + 0.3    12.8    + 1.1   |  +11.9
Thompson + 5.6    20.7    + 13.0  |  - 0.9     8.8    - 4.9   |  +17.9
Love     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  - 0.8     6.2    - 6.2   |  +17.9
Smith    + 5.3    26.9    + 9.5   |  - 1.0     6.3    - 7.6   |  +17.1
Irving   + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |    0.0    10.0      0.0   |  + 8.5
Jefferso + 1.0     7.3    + 6.6   |  - 1.3    12.7    - 4.9   |  +11.5
Williams + 1.9    15.8    + 5.8   |  - 2.7     6.3    -20.6   |  +26.3

These are outrageous numbers. The kind of difference LeBron makes is huge. Without LeBron on court, each player gets net losses across the board. With him, massive positives. The difference is staggering.

As a comparison, here are the same with-without +/- stats for the other members of the "Big 3". Or perhaps "massive 1 and biggish 2"?

Irving:

WITH and WITHOUT Irving
                
           WITH                      WITHOUT 
          "+/-"    min    per 48     "+/-"    min     per 48        DIFFERENCE
James    + 4.2    23.6    + 8.5   |  + 5.4    20.4    + 12.7    |    - 4.2
Smith    + 2.3    22.2    + 5.0   |  + 2.5    15.8     + 7.6    |    - 2.6
Thompson + 4.4    27.7    + 7.6   |  + 3.9    31.5     + 5.9    |    + 1.7
Love     + 2.8    23.1    + 5.8   |  + 3.9    17.3     +10.8    |    - 5.0
Shumpert + 1.1    13.0    + 4.1   |  + 2.4    12.8     + 9.0    |    - 4.9
Delly    + 1.4     8.8    + 7.6   |  + 4.3    19.8     +10.4    |    - 2.8
Frye     + 0.7     9.6    + 3.5   |  + 0.6     9.2     + 3.1    |    + 0.4
Jeffers  + 0.6     8.0    + 3.6   |  - 0.9    13.3     - 3.2    |    + 6.8
Willia   - 1.0     3.5    -13.7   |  - 1.0    17.6     - 2.7    |    -11.0

This doesn't paint Irving's impact on his teammates in a particularly positive light. He is getting big credit for stepping up in the Finals, but his impact based on regular season +/- is not as impressive, especially for a "superstar". Statistically, the other two of the Big 3 actually preferred when they are playing without Irving. And this applies to several others too. Dissing Irving might be a dangerous thing to do around here, so I will just say: basketball is a team game.

And Love:

WITH and WITHOUT Love
              
           WITH                    | WITHOUT                    |
           +/-    min     per 48   | "+/-"    min    per 48     |  DIFFERENCE
James     + 6.7    27.4    + 11.7  |  + 1.8     9.7    + 8.9    |    +  2.8
Irving    + 2.8    23.1    +  5.8  |  + 1.4    10.5    + 6.4    |    -  0.6
Smith     + 3.3    23.8    +  6.7  |  + 0.9     8.4    + 5.1    |    +  1.5
Thompson  + 4.0    16.6    + 11.6  |  + 0.7    12.4    + 2.7    |    +  8.9
Shumpert  + 2.8    11.0    + 12.2  |  + 0.8    14.4    + 2.7    |    +  9.6
Delly     + 4.5    14.1    + 15.3  |  + 0.8    11.4    + 3.4    |    + 12.0
Frye      - 1.0     5.0    -  9.6  |  + 1.7    15.5    + 5.3    |    - 14.9
Jefferson + 0.1     7.5    +  0.6  |  - 0.7    11.5    - 2.9    |    +  3.6
Williams  + 1.4    14.7    +  4.6  |  - 2.4     7.1    -16.2    |    + 20.8

To honour the departing Delly, here is how the Cavs players played with and without him. Somehow Delly seems to add more value that the lesser 2 of the Big 3.

Delly:

WITH and WITHOUT Delly                       

          WITH                   |  WITHOUT                   | 
         "+/-"    min    per 48  |  "+/-"    min    per 48    |    DIFFERENCE
James     +5.6    16.8    +16.0  |   +3.0    20.4    +7.1     |    +8.9
Irving    +1.4     8.8     +7.6  |   +2.8    24.7    +5.4     |    +2.2
Smith     +3.2    12.6    +12.2  |   +1.2    19.4    +3.0     |    +9.2
Thompson  +3.0    15.2     +9.5  |   +1.6    13.8    +5.6     |    +3.9
Love      +4.5    14.1    +15.3  |   +1.4    18.5    +3.6     |   +11.7
Shumpert  +2.3    13.9     +7.9  |   +1.4    11.7    +5.7     |    +2.2
Frye      +0.3    10.7     +1.3  |   +1.0     7.7    +6.2     |    -4.9
Jeffers   +0.9    10.6     +4.1  |   -1.5     8.4    -8.6     |   +12.6
Williams  +1.8     7.3    +11.8  |   -2.4    14.7    -7.8     |   +19.7

 

[Rekkapryde]

how the fukk did Cleveland get the nets pick. Danny ainge kill yourself

Boston can now pretty much build chemistry this year and win now starting next year when Bron is gone. Kyrie gives them an experienced player.

I do think they gave up too much but Ainge wanted to shed Crowder anyway and wasn't gonna resign IT.

 

[IVS]

Lol. Kyrie prolly gets injured this season carrying more of a load, and Boston prolly wont make the playoffs. Time wil tell

 

[IllmaticDelta]

mfers just watch highlights nowadays...

exactly

 

[jaguar paw]

side note: Thomas can really help Felder out in his development

Felder is likely getting cut breh.

He has a partial guarantee like Tavares. Cavs will need to get down to 15 (they are currently at 17).

There is still a chance if he clears waivers he comes back on a two way deal.

 

[Gyasi85]

I don't wanna hear anyone talk about a lack of loyalty from players anymore by the way. This is a massive kick in the teeth for IT who gave his heart & soul for that franchise.

 

[dem bath salts]

Cavs future got brighter, doesn't help them in the short term tho.
Boston got a premier scorer, five years younger and more marketable.
Cavs won the trade but I don't see much difference in either team, performance wise at least.

 

[daboywonder2002]

Barring a signing or trade, Marcus Morris is probably the starting four

damn i forgot about Morris. you're right

 

[jetflyinglimousineriding]

Steph can't wait until that Finals matchup against IT

 

[Copy Ninja]

Should just be Kyrie for IT straight up

The amount of posters that dapped this

 

[lotteryplaya]

Be on a team with a man that smashed your BM and probably most likely ran a train on her brehs.

Crowder might have beef with Rose and JR Smith? Welcome to Cleveland, Jae.

 

[SchoolboyC]

I can't picture him guarding LeBron who regularly rips him apart. He just isn't strong enough....and his frame isn't big enough.

Let's be for real, Crowder wasn't doing shyt against LeBron either

 

[Copy Ninja]

Bruh yall werent supposed to keep the draft pick. Yall were supposed to package the pick for Butler or George while keeping IT.

PG is going to LA. Dumb move for a one year rental.

This happened because there was no way Ainge was going to give a max deal to a 5'9" 30 year old player.

Kyrie is only 25 and is already a top 3 PG

We won this trade hands down. We got a superstar entering his prime years

 

[Lakerman0834]

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Sixers gonna be the best east team long term. Feel like Boston just ruined their future.

Hope Kyrie happy where he at tho, maybe he'll like playin on the celtics better

If embiids knees dont hold up Celts have the best shot of running the east

 

[Bigblackted4]

Honestly don't want IT.....but I know him and Bron together will run an offense better .......throw in D Wade and D Rose and a competent big and Cavs should be aight

We had a historically great offense last year