Chip Kelly is going to revolutionize this sport...

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:leon: :whoo: at these formations:
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calh45 said:
It's almost hilarious that you mention tape watching as a fallback for d-coordinators understanding an offense, but if you really knew what actually happens you'd know that tape watching only allows you to establish playcalling patterns at best and at least it can give you nothing especially when trying to apply an offense ran by a college team vs it's application with vastly different personnel on the pro level. If you watched the Redskins game you would've seen that it wasn't exhaustion that slowed the Eagles down in the 2nd half. They finally started to diagnose Chip's offense in real time. Regardless of what analysts will tell you there's a finite number of formations and plays from different situations. That formation with two tackles at the numbers?? It's been done before. I saw it way back in high school. It's just a variation on the swinging gate.

I only mentioned tape because you did first I was replying to your quote. I actually think its a clitche when hear espn commentators say this and that won't work because nfl coordinators will watch the tap. Imo fuk their tape. Tape doesn't change the numbers advantages how many players you have to dedidicate to the box to be sound vs and offense.

I never said or thought Exhaustion slowed the Eagles down.

And about formations being diagnosed in real time that could be said about any offense. I didn't expect them to score 50 on them


Next, you do realize there's almost always 2 open d-linemen on the read option by design, right? The idea of penetration isn't about talent it's about aggression. It's funny that you mentioned Matthews because the Niners rushed for less than 100 yards against GB so that philosophy takes away the advantage of running the read option. You say it's easier for the offense, but the defense's aggression dictates that move and it resulted in a shytty rushing day for the team. The times that they truly did give the option to Kaep it got shut down.

They had shytty game running because A) Green back was focusing on the run from scheme and numbers perspective B) Niners didn't actually run READ option plays like they did last year in the playoffs. They were running pre determined runs leaving end man on the line unblocked. The play I actually saw them read(or at least read correctly) was toward the end with gore where he ran for like 15 yrds to help seal their last td if I'm not mistaken.

Also I would argue or at least make the case that Green Bays aggressive style for defending the run is what helped enable Kaep devastating passing game.

Lastly, bringing up a man that's stuck to the predictable ass tampa 2 and got torched by every offense, not just read option, over the last few years as a college DC is the last person you should use as an example of NFL futility. The NFL defenses have an advantage over college d-coordinators in that there's less of a difference in talent. There's no real athletic holes player wise in the NFL defenses. There's no such thing as Louisiana Monroe to keep your team fresh. There's not a roster of 115 players to rotate throughout practice. It's not Marcus Mariota against some random walk on. The LBs are just as fast as the QBs from 0-20 yards and so are the d-lineman. The NFL d-coordinators don't have to worry about their players going to class. It is their profession. Give the men a year and they'll be treated Chip's offense just like everyone else's. No blowouts. No 70 point games. Just a lot of plays and beat up players.
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So why did RG3 and Kaep run amok last year. dikk Labaeu acted like had never even seen the option in the playoffs. You can read a player in college and you can read a player in the nfl. In fact one of the main purposes of an option/read is to deal with fast athletic, and strong players you can't block. I don't care if its Lawerence Taylor out there he can't Defend the RB and QB (well maybe LT can but that it lol). Also I brang up Kiffin because of the top of my head he was the only defense coordinator who had been majorly success in the NFL at such a high level.


My reasoning to say the zone read will not be stopped or figured out by NFL Defenses is from a numbers perspective. Against prostyle qbs you can play with 1 safety and have plus one advantage in the box to run the football. When you read a players you don't have that advantage anymore now you have a hat for a hat and the Read player is being essentially block by the qb's read. So to get the number back in the defenses favor you have bring another safety into the play, thus leaving single coverage with no safety help in the NFL where the passing rules a so heavily in favor of the offense its almost not fair.

Don't get me wrong Read Option isn't a magic bullet that will send you str8 to the championship and is in defensible. But there sure isn't a "just do x,y,or z" to contain it either. Its not a gimmick(not saying you said that) its a sound effective offense
 
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SubZeroDegrees said:
That shyt still isn't revolutionary breh. All no-huddle offense have that advantage you stated, and L&HH brought up a great point that the Skins offense didn't their defense no favors by committing turnovers. This overanalysis on how innovated Chip Kelly offense is reactionary as fukk.
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I agree with you that its not revolutionary or that advantages are unique to his system. But I do think by him bringing back the tempo offenses if he can prove it effective over season it will change the way a number of other teams play in the league.
 
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in light of today's events, i'm upping this just to laugh at this dumbass shyt again
 
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Chargers ran more plays yesterday then the Eagles last week Mike Mccoy revolutionizing the sport!!!
 
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lutha said:
in light of today's events, i'm upping this just to laugh at this dumbass shyt again
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Chargers ran more plays yesterday then the Eagles last week Mike Mccoy revolutionizing the sport!!!
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I think the fact that they got 30 points in 20 minutes still has D coordinators scratching their heads...

The offence is not revolutionary perse....It still needs a low gear where they can grind out yards and rest that porous Defense of theirs...
 
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