Did Hip Hop when sampling died? Did southern producers kill the genre?

[DrX]

Sampling took much skill, creativity and some musical knowledge. You had to dig the crates, know how to chop and loop, what to add and take out vs these kids popping pills and create 30 beats a day zooted out their minds packing beats with hi hats and bass all over the place.

It seem like after the beats changed, so did lyricism. Modern producers can't capture the soul of the 90's classics like when Havoc sampled some obscure sound and created shook ones




These trap beats are disposable. They're like the drugs these motherfukkers do. Temporary high and unlistenable.

Sampling made forced rappers to bring their A game. Back in the 90s u might get slapped up, def laughed at if u spit some bullshyt on a fire beat

 

[ThaEruditious]

I love a sampled beat, but I love originality just as much as the former. Can't blame nikkas for wanting get more bread rather than spitting with 6 or 7 other cowriters for sample usage.

 

[GPBear]

Blaming the producers at the ground level instead of major labels who invested millions in targeting those artists and albums is a weak move

I’m less concerned with hip-hop being watered down by trap beats than I am about thecoli being polluted by your deranged, attention seeking threads on a daily basis. Get a diary or something, shyt.

 

[Marlo Barksdale]

I love a sampled beat, but I love originality just as much as the former. Can't blame nikkas for wanting get more bread rather than spitting with 6 or 7 other cowriters for sample usage.

Bingo. So many of those old producers and artists don't get much residual money because they had to give up all their publishing due to samples. Fabolous & Just Blaze had to give up 100% of "Breathe." Same with Peter Gunz & Lord Tariq "Uptown Baby."

It's like being in a group in 2018: doesnt make financial sense at all.

 

[Lil Bape the PostGod]

 

[ThaEruditious]

Bingo. So many of those old producers and artists don't get much residual money because they had to give up all their publishing due to samples. Fabolous & Just Blaze had to give up 100% of "Breathe." Same with Peter Gunz & Lord Tariq "Uptown Baby."

It's like being in a group in 2018: doesnt make financial sense at all.

Yup, only reason it even makes sense today is if you have one of the big three (UMG, Sony, WMG) behind you. This also the reason why hasn't put out DROGAS Waves and why KRIT and Danny Brown said they went broke creating their albums.

 

[JustCKing]

No. Southern producers sampled and they still do. Sampling and making a beat from scratch (trap or not) still takes skill to do. Sampling doesn't really take musical knowledge. It is part of the reason sampling exists: an artist is inspired by a song, but can't recreate the desired sound from scratch, so they use portions from the record that inspired them, and add their own touches to it.

Artists brought their A game over samples because a lot of times the artist told the producer which records to sample or brought the sample to the producer.

Sampling also had it's down side too because a lot of producers weren't creative with it. Diddy & The Hitmen and The Trackmasters all sampled popular songs without changing much from the original. The songs were dope, but if you'd heard the original songs, they really didn't add or change much.

 

[JustCKing]

I would argue that The South is probably the more musical region in Hip Hop. You have producers who actually grew up in the Church or were studio rats at a young age so they came up around instruments. Organized Noize, Mannie Fresh, T Mix, Drumma Boy, and a lot of other producers incorporated live instruments into their production and some of them were even able to recreate a sample from scratch.

 

[Sauce Dab]

So far this thread ain't going the way OP thought it would. Usually this topic is easy dap fish material

 

[Marlo Barksdale]

It's easier for a Southern/Bay producer to create a non-sampled song because of how live music is such a part of life in the South. Reason you don't hear live instrumentation on alotta East Coast stuff but it's all thru Too Short & UGK.

 

[greenvale]

That mac miller lawsuit kinda killed it. unless you’re willing to pay/give up the bag it isn’t worth it most times. it’s stilll a great hobby of mine though

 

[Lucky_Lefty]

So far this thread ain't going the way OP thought it would. Usually this topic is easy dap fish material

nikka is an idiot and should be banned. Then he can off himself

 

[DrX]

It's easier for a Southern/Bay producer to create a non-sampled song because of how live music is such a part of life in the South. Reason you don't hear live instrumentation on alotta East Coast stuff but it's all thru Too Short & UGK.

and its all repetitive garbage....ppl should be tired of trap beats

 

[087532652350]

making a generic 90s boom bap beat takes about the same amount of talent and creativity as making a generic trap beat

 

[Patrick Kane]

A lot of producers still sample records, they just reverse it/pitch it down semitones, add crazy effects, gross beat. shyt like that and you'd never know it was sampled from a popular record Seems like this is a way a lot of modern producers are getting around sampling.

I think as a hip hop producer, you shouldn't be limited to just sampling but also be able make beats from scratch actually using some musical knowledge and possibly theory (although not really necessary)