Explosion at Ariana Grande concert in Manchester (22 dead so far)

[无名的]

Who are they though? Isis?

ISIS, ISIS inspired, ISIS affiliates, Muslim extremists. Whatever you want to call it.

I can't believe I'm in here agreeing with much of what @4d 6f 6e 65 79 is saying

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Again, muslims in the west need to seriously consider their options

Liberals, LIKE MYSELF, who push for tolerant and open societies, can NOT continue to defend this stuff over time.

We can't hold back right-wing populism forever.

There will come a time...

 

[The Blind Man]

I cant believe so many of you are this fukking dense as to thinking IRA terrorist attacks or "Christian terrorism" has been meting out anywhere near the level of damage attacks from ISIS have

WilIfully ignore hundreds of years of sectarian violence and its legacy brehs.

 

[killacal]

Again, muslims in the west need to seriously consider their options

Liberals, LIKE MYSELF, who push for tolerant and open societies, can NOT continue to defend this stuff over time.

We can't hold back right-wing populism forever.

There will come a time...

How many times a day do you say this

It reeks of...as a black man I think....

And who are you holding back Apu

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

How many times a day do you say this

It reeks of...as a black man I think....

And who are you holding back Apu

Because some of y'all need to understand the perspective I'm approaching this from.

Y'all really don't know shyt about me because y'all expect every black person to defend muslims on this site for SOME reason

I'm a liberal, left of center, progressively minded person.

But people do have a finite amount of tolerance.

Right wing radicalism didn't come from nowhere.

IM not the person muslims need to worry about.

 

[BocaRear]

This literally makes no sense

OF COURSE its politicized.

Muslims YET AGAIN refusing have this honest dialogue with the western world.

Muslims don't need to have an "honest dialogue with the western world.
Do Christians need to have an "honest dialogue with the western world" for the actions of the KKK or Neo-Nazis or the Westboro Church or slavery or imperialism or the endless wars of the past decades?


There are 10s of millions of Muslims living in the west that don't participate in terrorism and live their lives.

And yet, even though they don't have to, Muslim leaders speak out and denounce these actions regularly and collaborate with governments to help to eliminate radicalisation. How on earth are they in any way "refusing to have an honest dialogue"?

Comments like this are part of the problem and are exactly the objectives of ISIS and radical organisations as they aim to create a hostile environment for Muslims so they grow alienated and ostracised and turn to extremism. ISIS and Radical Islamic groups whole selling point are entirely based upon Islam being "under attack" and it's working, people are calling for "final solutions" and calling Islam a "death cult".

Why should Muslims have to justify their existence?
Because some CACs governments who have destabilised and funded terrorism are now seeing the effects of their geopolitical shytstorm?
Because racist idiots have a stupid generalised way of viewing people and religion as some sort of monolithic group that's out to destroy them?

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Muslims don't need to have an "honest dialogue with the western world.

Yeah. They do. Cause most of them are homegrown.

Do Christians need to have an "honest dialogue with the western world" for the actions of the KKK or Neo-Nazis or the Westboro Church or slavery or imperialism or the endless wars of the past decades?

Those are white supremacists before they're religious.

Big difference

And the Westboro Baptist Church, if you knew this, isn't racist. They're just anti gay and they're not terrorists.

There are 10s of millions of Muslims living in the west that don't participate in terrorism and live their lives.

Well thats too bad, isn't it?

A few bad apples ruin for everyone else.

If black people were doing mass murders on this scale, we'd all be held to account. Don't even play this game. I already have to deal with white racism. Don't put the muslim burden on me too.

And yet, even though they don't have to, Muslim leaders speak out and denounce these actions regularly and collaborate with governments to help to eliminate radicalisation. How on earth are they in any way "refusing to have an honest dialogue"?

Its not enough, and muslim leaders know it. Thats why they half ass their reforms.

Islam is quite literally incompatible with western values for the most part.

Comments like this are part of the problem and are exactly the objectives of ISIS and radical organisations as they aim to create a hostile environment for Muslims so they grow alienated and ostracised and turn to extremism. ISIS and Radical Islamic groups whole selling point are entirely based upon Islam being "under attack" and it's working, people are calling for "final solutions" and calling Islam a "death cult".

Islam wouldn't be under attack if they were blowing up concerts.

Muslims are a huge problem for this very fact.

They think any muslim is their ally. It doesn't matter where or what nationality or ethnicity they see, they all connect themselves.

Thats dangerous and problematic if we're going to deal with this shyt

Why should Muslims have to justify their existence?

In Europe, they integrate terribly.

At least in the US/Canada their successes are better represented.

Because some CACs governments who have destabilised and funded terrorism are now seeing the effects of their geopolitical shytstorm?

This makes no sense. This isn't an Iraqi problem or a Afghan problem.

This is a muslim problem.

Because racist idiots have a stupid generalised way of viewing people and religion as some sort of monolithic group that's out to destroy them?

Islam is not a race.

 

[B. Pumpaveli]

Horrible, horrible event. The thing I don't get about these people is why would anyone want to blow themselves up? fukk is wrong with you, and kill innocent teenage kids?

 

[Arianne Martell]

Oh so this thread get stickied but the young lt. col. That was murdered gets locked

 

[choc_cardigan]

This is sad Rip. And this will get ugly.

 

[BocaRear]

Yeah. They do. Cause most of them are homegrown.

Why do all muslims have to have an 'honest dialogue' on behalf of the actions of an extremist? This is an absurd proposition and is something a child would say. How is the average muslim privy to the actions of a radical extremist?

Those are white supremacists before they're religious.

Big difference

And the Westboro Baptist Church, if you knew this, isn't racist. They're just anti gay and they're not terrorists.

Don't try to weasel your way out of the fact that White Supremacist Christians are the greatest terrorists on this planet, yet no one asks for an 'honest dialogue with christianity' because that would be moronic.
Religions are quite literally a broad church of ideas and have always been historically used as a justification for horrible things.
You can't sweep those events under the carpet because they don't fit your narrative.

Well thats too bad, isn't it?

A few bad apples ruin for everyone else.

If black people were doing mass murders on this scale, we'd all be held to account. Don't even play this game. I already have to deal with white racism. Don't put the muslim burden on me too.

And that makes it okay? We should persecute large groups of people because of a few bad apples now?

Its not enough, and muslim leaders know it. Thats why they half ass their reforms.

Islam is quite literally incompatible with western values for the most part.


Islam wouldn't be under attack if they were blowing up concerts.

Muslims are a huge problem for this very fact.

They think any muslim is their ally. It doesn't matter where or what nationality or ethnicity they see, they all connect themselves.

Western values are all about freedom of religion

"Islam" isn't blowing up any concerts , terrorists are.

In case you forgot, Islamic terrorists kill Muslims more than anybody else.

This sort of Wahhabism is actively funded by Saudi Arabia, the USA and Israel

In Europe, they integrate terribly.

At least in the US/Canada their successes are better represented.

This makes no sense. This isn't an Iraqi problem or a Afghan problem.

This is a muslim problem.

Islam is not a race.

How do Muslims integrate terribly? You can't make poor blanket statements like this. Muslims work and pay taxes and help the economy. Muslims are doctors, nurses, lawyers, bus drivers, taxi drivers ect. Muslims are a vital part of the West.

This is a muslim problem.

Islam is not a race.

Yeah it's very convenient that you can hate a whole group of mostly black and brown people and call them Pakis and Towelheads (which happened in this very thread) and not be considered a racist.
People that tend to go on about Islam being a dangerous threat to the West generally aren't talking about white muslims so don't try to play dumb.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Why do all muslims have to have an 'honest dialogue' on behalf of the actions of an extremist? This is an absurd proposition and is something a child would say. How is the average muslim privy to the actions of a radical extremist?

A moderate muslim is someone who by and large holds terrible views about liberal society

Don't try to weasel your way out of the fact that White Supremacist Christians are the greatest terrorists on this planet, yet no one asks for an 'honest dialogue with christianity' because that would be moronic.

Don't play that game.

Muslims have lapped white extremists in the last 15 years

And yes, white extremists still exist.

Religions are quite literally a broad church of ideas and have always been historically used as a justification for horrible things.

here we go

y'all wanna turn into scholars and historians whenever a muslim blows some shyt up

You're filibustering and we all see through your bullshyt

You can't sweep those events under the carpet because they don't fit your narrative.

Because they're irrelevant.

And that makes it okay? We should persecute large groups of people because of a few bad apples now?

I didn't say persecute.

I'm telling them that LIBERALS LIKE ME won't always be around to deflect from muslim complicity

This is THEIR community. They need to fix it or else the creeping threat of right wingers will

Western values are all about freedom of religion

Muslims keep abusing this privilege

"Islam" isn't blowing up any concerts , terrorists are.

Wanna bet?

For every one who blows something up, theres a lot more who agree with the act and even then theres losers like you who "understand"

In case you forgot, Islamic terrorists kill Muslims more than anybody else.

Thats not my problem

This sort of Wahhabism is actively funded by Saudi Arabia, the USA and Israel

neither of which blew up a pop star concert in Manchester

How do Muslims integrate terribly? You can't make poor blanket statements like this. Muslims work and pay taxes and help the economy. Muslims are doctors, nurses, lawyers, bus drivers, taxi drivers ect. Muslims are a vital part of the West.

muslims integrate the worst among any demographic in western society

they shun liberal values and by and large hold views incompatible with liberal societies

Living in the west is more than simply taking up space.

Their respect for outside groups is at a nadir.

Yeah it's very convenient that you can hate a whole group of mostly black and brown people and call them Pakis and Towelheads (which happened in this very thread) and not be considered a racist.

Who said anything about nationality?

Islam, is not a race.

People that tend to go on about Islam being a dangerous threat to the West generally aren't talking about white muslims so don't try to play dumb.

Islam, is not a race.

But since you wanna talk about white muslim terrorists, heres one:

Samantha Lewthwaite - Wikipedia

 

[B. Pumpaveli]

This is sad Rip. And this will get ugly.

Its already ugly. And killing western teenagers en masse is going to have some major consequences.

 

[BocaRear]

Lol if you love muslims so much...why not go live among them. You think you bum nikkas can't get ahead here?? See how well you do even in the "progressive" muslims states in North Africa.

fukk off, you unintelligent pleb.
I actually wouldn't mind living in Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Turkey, Maldives, ect
I could list several shytty Christian countries countries.
You clearly have no understanding of context nor history and have a simple way of thinking.
Assuming that because a country has a lot of Muslims in it and it is also a shyt culture is purely due to Islam shows that you aren't educated.
There are several variables that you need to take into consideration as to why a country is the way it is.

As said most of you are dumb c00ns who merely parrot the liberal narrative of white liberals who see you as nothing more than a useful idiotic child. They sit there and let you defend communities at your own expense. All over central, western and East Africa muslims are killings blacks like you. Is that because of the white man too???

And you're clearly parroting some bullshyt you've seen from some Alt-Right channel you dumb fukk . Anyone that uses the the word Liberal as a pejorative is a retarded mong and doesn't deserve any further attention.

And yeah that's right in "Central Western and East" (whatever that is) muslims are killing blacks because they're muslims. It's not like there are black muslims or anything.

It's not like human beings kill other human beings, is it? No it's purely ISLAMIC DEATH CULT SHARIA LAW

"B...b...but what about the westboro Baptists!!!" Lol as if they're blowing concerts with children in....

Muslims are creating an environment which will empower an ugly and horrific backlash. You dumb inferiority complex nikkas stay thinking that the white man is the source of all evil. Get off their jock. There are a whole lot of other factions out here.

You're projecting, no one has an inferioty complex except you. I don't hate white people and I don't hate brown people.You on the other hand clearly feel slighted by those "pakis" and as a result have embraced some racist idiotic views.
However, if we're speaking objectively no one has commited atrocities that are on par with white supremacists.

 

[OJ Simpsom]

Thread title needs to be changed. And ya'll need to stfu and post some updates.