Fitzmagic or Fitztragic?The Best Chance To Win. The Official 2016 New York Jets Season Thread

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If the team was young and cheap, I'd agree 10000 percent. The billboard went up, got the guy who was gutting the roster and lowering the cap fired and then Maccagnan won executive of the year by spending his money. The genie is out of the bottle...the offense is old. Once Decker, Marshall and Forte look washed there will be a new QB. Fitz is playing right now because he gives this roster the best chance to win. If we wanted the young QB we should have stuck with Idzik. But understandably someone paying college tuition..I mean a PSL- didnt want to watch the clogged toilet offense 8 Sundays out of the year.
Can you hop off Idzik's nuts?

He couldn't draft. That's why he's gone. If his young talent was showing promise, he'd still be here. Jets fans weren't against a youth movement not working and it wasn't working under him. Nobody's against a rebuild but do it right. He didn't do that. Why is this hard for you to grasp?
 

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This roster isn't built for developing talent. This roster is built for winning now. This team won 10 games last year which 99 percent of the time, gets u in the playoffs. They have pretty much the same team with an upgrade at rb.

We're not winning anything now with Fitz so the roster isn't built for such. We only won last year due to a very weak schedule. Most years that kind of luck doesn't happen.
 

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We're not winning anything now with Fitz so the roster isn't built for such. We only won last year due to a very weak schedule. Most years that kind of luck doesn't happen.


Bottom line, even if Fitz gives us just a 10 percent chance of making the playoffs, that's better than the 2 percent chance the coaches must feel like Geno gives us.

And just to be fair, let's say Geno and Fitz give us identical chance of making the playoffs...

The players on the team don't want Geno, they want Fitz.

So keep hate watching if ya want but the people who make the actual decisions, already made it :manny:.

I'll recommend ya for front office jobs next year tho I got u :myman:
 

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Personally I wish we had another back in the stable...Forte is kinda old and Powell always seems nicked up. I dont even think there's another one on the roster aside from the fullback.
I dont want to see him turn to second half of the season Jets LT. But he has Curtis Martin/Marcus Allen running style. ..so he'll be alright
 

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Can you hop off Idzik's nuts?

He couldn't draft. That's why he's gone. If his young talent was showing promise, he'd still be here. Jets fans weren't against a youth movement not working and it wasn't working under him. Nobody's against a rebuild but do it right. He didn't do that. Why is this hard for you to grasp?

Im not on Idzik's nuts. He wasnt built for NY and had no idea what he was in for...but his drafts are over emphasized. Winters, Enunwa, Richardson and Pryor are all starters(plus starters for their positions besides Winters who's suddenly not bad). Picked up Marcus Williams who's probably the most cost effective player on the roster too. The Decker signing too.

I hope the Jets are better off with Maccagnan but he's got to eventually stop trading away picks for high priced veterans and just let a young guy assume the position instead. It is nice we have some promising UDFA's finally...the scouting dept seems to be working harder.
 

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Bottom line, even if Fitz gives us just a 10 percent chance of making the playoffs, that's better than the 2 percent chance the coaches must feel like Geno gives us.

And just to be fair, let's say Geno and Fitz give us identical chance of making the playoffs...

The players on the team don't want Geno, they want Fitz.

So keep hate watching if ya want but the people who make the actual decisions, already made it :manny:.

I'll recommend ya for front office jobs next year tho I got u :myman:

These number are all made up. There's no prepondernace of how much a chance Fitz versus Geno gives us. We don't know and, strangely enough, neither do the coaches. What we do know is that Fitz's chances are too low to go forward with him as starter and waste another year. It really doesn't matter what the "team" thinks. The coaches make personell decisions, not the "team".
 

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These number are all made up. There's no prepondernace of how much a chance Fitz versus Geno gives us. We don't know and, strangely enough, neither do the coaches. What we do know is that Fitz's chances are too low to go forward with him as starter and waste another year. It really doesn't matter what the "team" thinks. The coaches make personell decisions, not the "team".

Not to belabor the Geno stuff but there isnt a QB over the past 30 years who had Geno's numbers over their first 30 starts that turned into anything but a backup. He'd be a complete outlier. 29 starts is a ton.
 

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Not to belabor the Geno stuff but there isnt a QB over the past 30 years who had Geno's numbers over their first 30 starts that turned into anything but a backup. He'd be a complete outlier. 29 starts is a ton.

Eli and Brees had similar QB ratings in Year 1 and 2, and turned out fine.
 

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Eli and Brees had similar QB ratings in Year 1 and 2, and turned out fine.

. Third time's a charm? It's not unprecedented for a quarterback like Geno Smith to get another starting nod after two below-average seasons. Look at quarterbacks of his statistical ilk, and you'll see it happens fairly often. But keeping reading because there's a caveat.

The folks at Football Outsiders did some number crunching and came up with a list of 10 quarterbacks over the last 25 years whose statistical metrics in their first two seasons come closest to Smith's numbers (minimum: 100 attempts). This list isn't flattering toward Smith -- Kyle Boller, Jake Locker, Tim Couch, Rick Mirer, Trent Dilfer, Joey Harrington, Charlie Frye, Billy Joe Tolliver, Steve Walsh and Jake Plummer.

Basically, they all stunk in their first two seasons, but eight of the 10 -- all except Tolliver and Walsh -- started opening day in Year 3. Ah, but there's more to the story: Seven of the eight were first-round picks, including four in the top-6. The exception was Frye (third round), who got benched in the 2007 opener and never started another game for the Cleveland Browns.

Obviously, teams are more patient with first-round draft choices because of the money invested. Smith was a second-round pick, so, yeah, what the Jets are doing is outside the box. The new regime is planning to start Smith after two years of play that ranged mostly from poor to uneven. If he succeeds, he'll be bucking a trend.
 

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. Third time's a charm? It's not unprecedented for a quarterback like Geno Smith to get another starting nod after two below-average seasons. Look at quarterbacks of his statistical ilk, and you'll see it happens fairly often. But keeping reading because there's a caveat.

The folks at Football Outsiders did some number crunching and came up with a list of 10 quarterbacks over the last 25 years whose statistical metrics in their first two seasons come closest to Smith's numbers (minimum: 100 attempts). This list isn't flattering toward Smith -- Kyle Boller, Jake Locker, Tim Couch, Rick Mirer, Trent Dilfer, Joey Harrington, Charlie Frye, Billy Joe Tolliver, Steve Walsh and Jake Plummer.

Basically, they all stunk in their first two seasons, but eight of the 10 -- all except Tolliver and Walsh -- started opening day in Year 3. Ah, but there's more to the story: Seven of the eight were first-round picks, including four in the top-6. The exception was Frye (third round), who got benched in the 2007 opener and never started another game for the Cleveland Browns.

Obviously, teams are more patient with first-round draft choices because of the money invested. Smith was a second-round pick, so, yeah, what the Jets are doing is outside the b ox. The new regime is planning to start Smith after two years of play that ranged mostly from poor to uneven. If he succeeds, he'll be bucking a trend.
Geno wasn't supposed to play year one unlike those other first round picks, (a stupid coaching decision) yet its used against him.
 

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Geno wasn't supposed to play year one unlike those other first round picks, (a stupid coaching decision) yet its used against him.

He would have played that year at some point.
 

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These number are all made up. There's no prepondernace of how much a chance Fitz versus Geno gives us. We don't know and, strangely enough, neither do the coaches. What we do know is that Fitz's chances are too low to go forward with him as starter and waste another year. It really doesn't matter what the "team" thinks. The coaches make personell decisions, not the "team".

Obviously they are made up, but for arguments sake.

His chances are better than Geno's is the point, even if only slightly. And what the team thinks does indeed matter. That's who they want leading them to battle. Not some kid who hasn't proved himself on the field OR off. I know u badly want the dude starting but let it go, it's not gonna happen on this team ever again. Probably nowhere else either. It's over. Time for a new avi.
 

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Obviously they are made up, but for arguments sake.

His chances are better than Geno's is the point, even if only slightly. And what the team thinks does indeed matter. That's who they want leading them to battle. Not some kid who hasn't proved himself on the field OR off. I know u badly want the dude starting but let it go, it's not gonna happen on this team ever again. Probably nowhere else either. It's over. Time for a new avi.

The fact you're making up numbers speaks to the truth you don't know anything about Fitz or Geno's chances. As such you can stop talking about it. And no, what the team thinks doesn't matter. Belichick and great coaches don't make decisions based on what players think.
 

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All this back and forth talking about Fitz & Geno is doing is just making me angry again that we didn't suck for Winston.

Now all we can do is just watch from afar as Jameis becomes an all time great and goes on to lead the Bucs to great things :mjcry:

It could have been us :to:
 

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He would have played that year at some point.
At some point would have been better. Playing Geno that early is the equivalent of Hackenberg somehow playing now, only I would me smart enough not to use it against him and question the coaching staff.

But that type of mentality for certain sports culture only exhibit that based on someone they like
 
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