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won't a damn thing special bout hip hop in 2005. like i said, hip hop started fallin' off in the late 90's. i was there, i saw the shyt happen
i'm gon go head and call it for what it's worth, hip hop & rap ain't shyt no more. i'm done with it
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won't a damn thing special bout hip hop in 2005. like i said, hip hop started fallin' off in the late 90's. i was there, i saw the shyt happen
I love Latina women
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i'm talkin' bout the genre as a whole. the overall feel and vibe of hip hop fell off by the 90's. sure, it was some great albums here and there that were great but overall it wasn't as great as it had been before. 97' was the first year were i started seein' the decline in hip hop music.
I think that hip-hop/rap's biggest problem today is that it is strictly promoted to a young audience(teens and early 20's). Im not saying there aren't some songs out there that a person of any age can feel but the majority of it is directed towards teens.
In the 90s though it wasnt like that. The majority of rap then was more grown up:
As teens we were bumpin this and I knew 30 and 40 year olds bumpin this back then too.
Theres a few I fukk with now like Ross, Cole, Krit, etc
just my opinion
In the 90s though it wasnt like that. The majority of rap then was more grown up:
As teens we were bumpin this and I knew 30 and 40 year olds bumpin this back then too.
Theres a few I fukk with now like Ross, Cole, Krit, etc
just my opinion
BeetAficionado
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Purists say hip hop is done but musically there are good arguments as to right now MUSICALLY the production is better than the "golden era." If you watch clip this Patrice makes a good argument why the most classic of rap, the most "Sacred" songs wasn't really shyt back in the day neither. All those early 90's songs were good. But MANY of them sampled songs that were just plain better only to make a shyttier verion. What do I need to hear your weak ass sample of James Brown over that dry ass boom bap beat for if I can just listen to JAMES FUKKING BROWN's 1000x better original. It's in parts but listening to this he makes a good argument why rap wasn't shyt back in the day, not just now with these new young thug type artists. The subject matter was better btu the beats.. nah 
I will say it every time: a solid original trap beat with 5 notes >>>>>>>>>> sampling's whole existence and if you disagree you haven't heard this argument:
I will say it every time: a solid original trap beat with 5 notes >>>>>>>>>> sampling's whole existence and if you disagree you haven't heard this argument:
DaveyDave
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i agree with this a bit. the best stuff i've heard over the last few years has been what most people would probably call "grown rap" it's either from grown rappers who act grown or from younger MC's who aren't just catering to the youngsters and cliche's. the youngsters that i do like are coming with SOMETHING original, i can't stand these muhfukkas that just spit the same nonsense as 90% of the game with the same tired flows. just within the last year we've had some great albums just because they're not all over radio & selling millions of copies doesn't mean they don't exist or should be ignored.
plenty more
it's not even about taking time to dig for stuff, nothing i put up just now is super underground, it all get's talked about on several popular blogs like 2Dopeboyz as well as sites like The Coli on the daily. i wont even get into the Aussie or UK shyt i listen to because that's not most people's cup of tead but new music is out there and NOT hard to find
I will say it every time: a solid original trap beat with 5 notes >>>>>>>>>> sampling's whole existence and if you disagree you haven't heard this argument:
Nah
PhonZhi
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The last "classic" for me was Blu's Below the Heavens. Straight "grown man" music. Thats what i like as a 32 year old. Like you said, the biggest difference between today and yesterday is that rappers were more mature. You had the Nas' and Pacs spitting waaay beyond there years. Today its the polar opposite. 40 year olds carrying themselves like 18 year olds. Ie: 2chainz
BeetAficionado
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It takes more talent to press 5 keys and program drums than it does to press one button that plays James Brown and program drums over it.
We can agree to disagree but not if u ain't heard Patrice's commentary first.
No it doesn't. Even if you sample you still have to have that ear for what sounds good and how to chop a sample. Not all samples were simply James Brown loops. All these 5 note trap loops, "original" songs all sound the same.
I used to dig crates when I dabbled in production and got into some great records from trying to sample but then being these songs are great as is as patrice said but I still find sampling potentially more creative as putting some generic 5 note "original" loop together
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BeetAficionado
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but they are original. and some of those songs have 30 parts in it but you'd never know because a) how it's mixed or b) the label/artist strips down a lot of the production for the final record. The artists are dictating that the music sound the same. If a producer capable of writing his own jazz music is doing trap because that's what's hot and paying and those are the beats that get picked blame the artists. There's always a popular style. When Hank Shockley was popping a lot of dudes sounded like Hank Shockley. Real producers adapt to the times. I know dudes who been making "in style" beats for almost 20 years just cause they're that versatile. It's dudes out here making movie soundtrack type trap beats meanwhile in the 90's dudes just sampled movie soundtracks and put drums on top. I've heard on this very board people say they cant play certain trap beats at picnics cause they sound like horror movie soundtracks meanwhile 3-6 (one my fav all time groups) was sampling movie soundtracks. If anything with more access to instruments in schools etc musicianship has evolved from the 90's.
But watch the video then let me know what parts you disagree with.
DaveyDave
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when you sample you don't just play a James Brown record and "press a button" it takes talent to sample like Pete Rock or DJ Premier. most programs these days have presets etc that can make your little one finger melody into chords & switch things up automatically without you doing much work at all. flick the arpeggiator button and you have a fancy melody that can be played over simple trap drums. chuck in some pads and some programs that make chords for you and even have templates so you know what to press and when and it's just as simple and talentless as looping 8 bars of Superfreak. most cats these days arent using simple drum loops and even back when producers were looping drums from Synthetic Substitution they sometimes had other breaks underneath it to boost and change the drum pattern as well as adding their own sounds and 808's etc. it's not as simple as you make it out to be.
BeetAficionado
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Cool when y'all watch the patrice oneal clip we can discuss it.
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