Ja Rule "Black People need to come together as an entity to figure out the N-Word"

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but they don't which is why the question is always asked, along with bringing up what they see as double standards, by non-blacks when they want to use the word




It's only in the most urban-"street" based arts. HipHop began as a reflection of the streets so it makes sense that street slang would come with it. Back in the days, the same street slang came along with Jazz before it became high level, art music.

I guess you're right about that first part but as far as relating that to what the solution should be is a whole different thing in itself foreal.

But as far as "reflections" go, you're right. But most Black People weren't chanting songs of "fukk that nikka", "kill that nikka", "That nikka ain't shyt, i got more money than him". So there was a difference of how it was used. It also wasn't used nearly as much. nikka in the Entertainment world is regular to us, back before it wasn't. They used it but not hardly like we are today. Totally different approaches. Totally different feelings
 

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But as far as "reflections" go, you're right. But most Black People weren't chanting songs of "fukk that nikka", "kill that nikka", "That nikka ain't shyt, i got more money than him".

Most black people still aren't saying those things. It was something that was more reflected on the streets and in doors. HipHop is what brought it to the masses the same way Jazz and R&B brought Jive to the masses.


So there was a difference of how it was used. It also wasn't used nearly as much. nikka in the Entertainment world is regular to us, back before it wasn't. They used it but not hardly like we are today. Totally different approaches. Totally different feelings

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Most black people still aren't saying those things. It was something that was more reflected on the streets and in doors. HipHop is what brought it to the masses the same way Jazz and R&B brought Jive to the masses.




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You're right Big Homie. That's why we gotta Own it or Ban it. It's too much of a distraction trying to intigrate it into regular everyday Society as if it's truly a normal word. Everybody has to be cautious of the N-Word somehow someway wherever they're at. Why keep paying attention to it when we can get rid of it? Why be offended by it when we can own it? :dahell:


The choice is ours really :russell:
 

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You're right Big Homie. That's why we gotta Own it or Ban it. It's too much of a distraction trying to intigrate it into regular everyday Society as if it's truly a normal word. Everybody has to be cautious of the N-Word somehow someway wherever they're at. Why keep paying attention to it when we can get rid of it? Why be offended by it when we can own it? :dahell:


The choice is ours really :russell:

people will always be offended by Nigg(er)...nikka is another story. It's all about context.
 

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people will always be offended by Nigg(er)...nikka is another story. It's all about context.

You're absolutely correct except for nikka/****** are the same thing. Only children think they're not the same thing. And they always end up changing their minds as they get older.


Ban it or Embrace it
 

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yes they are.

Thank you for telling him that. In Hip Hop the N-Word might have dual meanings but in real life they don't. Becuz outside of that World, nobody seriously acknowledges that.


To a child something like that would make sense. To an adult it's just foolish.
 

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We've been turning the cheek on it since N.W.A. first came out. And it still stings just as much then as it does today. Tha idea that we can adapt a word that only a select few can use for Centuries on End is an unachievable concept
 

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That's the biggest lie and misconcerption out there. "People don't use it like that anymore". Yes they do, and even still, it's blah.


Do people or do people NOT get offended or uncomfortable about the word? I'm not just talking about Tyrone from 43rd Street and Lil' Wong from Washington Heights. I mean most people in Society in general.


Alot of you wouldn't even use it around your Grandparents like that or at all so why is it necessary to flaunt it around? Becuz honestly, objectively speaking, that's usually how it's tossed around in the Arts. Grown Black Men in a Mature atmosphere aren't tossing it around so why make the word bigger than it ought to be? It's an old Label that we "overcame" and now it's over.

Historically we've always Adapted on our own so why stop now? We either Own it or Burn it. In the real world you can't have it both ways, it's never worked that way and it's never going to work that way. 2Pac couldn't even have changed that

You misunderstood me. In reference to "people don't use it like that anymore", I was talking about the phrases that you were saying people don't use like they used to.
 

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yes they are.


No they aren't. If anything, terms like negro, negroid, negre, negra, negrito etc.. are closer to Nigg(er) than nikka because those other ones were created by white people to mean the same thing while they were committing atrocities on black/dark skinned people on a global level. nikka is different because for one, whites never used that form and secondly, black people used it in a way based on a definition they gave it.


nikka

nikka (/ˈnɪɡə/, pronounced identically to nigger in some dialects) is a colloquial term used in Black English Vernacular that began as an eye dialect form of the word ****** (a word originated as a term used in a neutral context to refer to black people, as a variation of the Spanish/Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger, meaning the color "black").[1][2][3][4]

Nigg(er)

In the English language, the word "******" is an ethnic slur, usually directed at black people. The word originated as a neutral term referring to people with black skin,[1] as a variation of the Spanish and Portuguese noun negro, a descendant of the Latin adjective niger ("black").[2

The variants neger and negar, derive from the Spanish and Portuguese word negro (black), and from the now-pejorative French nègre (negro). Etymologically, negro, noir, nègre, and ****** ultimately derive from nigrum, the stem of the Latin niger (black) (pronounced [ˈniɡer] which, in every other grammatical case, grammatical gender, and grammatical number besides nominative masculine singular, is nigr-, the r is trilled).

In the Colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the African slaves shipped to the Virginia colony.[3] Later American English spellings, neger and neggar, prevailed in a northern colony, New York under the Dutch, and in metropolitan Philadelphia's Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities; the African Burial Ground in New York City originally was known by the Dutch name "Begraafplaats van de Neger" (Cemetery of the Negro); an early US occurrence of neger in Rhode Island, dates from 1625.[4] An alternative word for African Americans was the English word, "Black", used by Thomas Jefferson in his Notes on the State of Virginia. Among Anglophones, the word ****** was not always considered derogatory, because it then denoted "black-skinned", a common Anglophone usage.[5] Nineteenth-century English (language) literature features usages of ****** without racist connotation, e.g. the Joseph Conrad novella The ****** of the 'Narcissus' (1897). Moreover, Charles dikkens and Mark Twain created characters who used the word as contemporary usage. Twain, in the autobiographic book Life on the Mississippi (1883), used the term within quotes, indicating reported usage, but used the term "negro" when speaking in his own narrative persona.[6]

During the fur trade of the early 1800s to the late 1840s in the Western United States, the word was spelled "niggur", and is often recorded in literature of the time. George Fredrick Ruxton often included the word as part of the "mountain man" lexicon, and did not indicate that the word was pejorative at the time. "Niggur" was evidently similar to the modern use of dude, or guy. This passage from Ruxton's Life in the Far West illustrates a common use of the word in spoken form—the speaker here referring to himself: "Travler, marm, this niggur's no travler; I ar' a trapper, marm, a mountain-man, wagh!"[7] It was not used as a term exclusively for blacks among mountain men during this period, as Indians, Mexicans, and Frenchmen and Anglos alike could be a "niggur".[8] Linguistically, in developing American English, in the early editions of A Compendious Dictionary of the English Language (1806), lexicographer Noah Webster suggested the neger new spelling in place of negro.[9]

By the 1900s, ****** had become a pejorative word. In its stead, the term colored became the mainstream alternative to negro and its derived terms. Abolitionists in Boston, Massachusetts, posted warnings to the Colored People of Boston and vicinity. Writing in 1904, journalist Clifton Johnson documented the "opprobrious" character of the word ******, emphasizing that it was chosen in the South precisely because it was more offensive than "colored."[10] Established as mainstream American English usage, the word colored features in the organizational title of the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, reflecting the members' racial identity preference at the 1909 foundation. In the Southern United States, the local American English dialect changes the pronunciation of negro to nigra.

By the late 1960s, the social change achieved by groups in the United States such as the Civil Rights Movement (1955–68), had legitimized the racial identity word black as mainstream American English usage to denote black-skinned Americans of African ancestry. In the 1990s, "Black" was displaced in favor of the compound blanket term African American. Moreover, as a compound word, African American resembles the vogue word Afro-American, an early-1970s popular usage. Currently, some black Americans continue to use the word ******, often spelled as nikka and nikkah, without irony, either to neutralize the word's impact or as a sign of solidarity.
 
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Negro

The word Negro (plural, Negroes) was used in the English-speaking world to refer to a person of black ancestry or appearance. Negro denotes "black" in Spanish and Portuguese, derived from the ancient Latin word niger, meaning black, which itself is probably from a Proto-Indo-European root *nekw-, "to be dark", akin to *nokw-, night.[1][2]

In English


A European map of West Africa, 1736. Included is the archaic mapping designation of Negroland.


"Negro" was once an acceptable term. All-Negro Comics was a 1947 comic anthology written by African-American writers and featuring black characters.
Around 1442, the Portuguese first arrived in Southern Africa while trying to find a sea route to India. The term negro, literally meaning 'black', was used by the Spanish and Portuguese as a simple description to refer to the Bantu peoples that they encountered. From the 18th century to the late 1960s, negro (later capitalized) was considered to be the proper English-language term for people of black African origin.

United States
Negro superseded colored as the most polite word for African Americans at a time when black was considered more offensive.[3] This word was accepted as normal, including by people classified as Negroes, until the late 1960s, after the later African-American Civil Rights Movement. One well-known example is the identification by Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as "Negro" in his famous speech of 1963, "I Have a Dream".

During the civil rights movements era of the 1950s and 1960s, some black American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word Negro because they associated it with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.[4] Malcolm X preferred Black to Negro, but also started using the term Afro-American after leaving the Nation of Islam.[5]

Since the late 1960s, various other terms have been more widespread in popular usage. These include black, Black African, Afro-American (in use from the late 1960s to 1990) and African American (used in the United States to refer to black Americans, people often referred to in the past as American Negroes).[6]

The term Negro is still used in some historical contexts, such as in the name of the United Negro College Fund[7][8] and the Negro league in sports.

The United States Census Bureau announced that Negro would be included on the 2010 United States Census, alongside Black and African-American, because some older black Americans still self-identify with the term.[9][10][11]

The word Negro fell out of favor by the early 1970s in the United States after the African-American Civil Rights Movement. However, many older African Americans initially found the term black more offensive than Negro. In current English language usage, Negro is generally considered to be acceptable in a historical context, such as Negro spirituals or baseball's Negro Leagues of the early and mid-20th century, or in the name of older organizations, as in the United Negro College Fund or the Journal of Negro Education. The U.S. Census now uses the grouping "Black, African-American, or Negro." Negro is used in efforts to include older African Americans who more closely associate with the term.[12] According to Oxford Dictionaries, use of the word "now seems out of date or even offensive in both British and US English".[13]

A specifically female form of the word, negress (sometimes capitalized), was occasionally used. However, like Jewess, it has all but completely fallen from use. The related word Negroid was used by 19th- and 20th-century racial anthropologists. The suffix -oid means "similar to". "Negroid" as a noun was used to designate a wider or more generalized category than Negro; as an adjective it qualified a noun as in, for example, "negroid features".[14]


It's just like term now popularized by Aframs, "Black". "Black" was once on the save level as "Nigg(er)" until Aframs gave it their own meaning and definition.


Black people is a term used in certain countries, often in socially based systems of racial classification or of ethnicity, to describe persons who are perceived to be dark-skinned compared to other given populations. As such, the meaning of the expression varies widely both between and within societies, and depends significantly on context. For many other individuals, communities and countries, "black" is also perceived as a derogatory, outdated, reductive or otherwise unrepresentative label, and as a result is neither used nor defined.

Different societies apply differing criteria regarding who is classified as "black", and these social constructs have also changed over time. In a number of countries, societal variables affect classification as much as skin color, and the social criteria for "blackness" vary. For example, in North America the term black people is not necessarily an indicator of skin color or majority ethnic ancestry, but it is instead a socially based racial classification related to being African American, with a family history associated with institutionalized slavery. In South Africa and Latin America, for instance, mixed-race people are generally not classified as "black." In South Pacific regions such as Australia and Melanesia, European colonists applied the term "black" or it was used by populations with different histories and ethnic origin.
 

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The variants neger and negar, derive from the Spanish and Portuguese word negro (black), and from the now-pejorative French nègre (negro). Etymologically, negro, noir, nègre, and ****** ultimately derive from nigrum, the stem of the Latin niger (black) (pronounced [ˈniɡer] which, in every other grammatical case, grammatical gender, and grammatical number besides nominative masculine singular, is nigr-, the r is trilled).

In the Colonial America of 1619, John Rolfe used negars in describing the slaves who were captured from West Africa and then shipped to the Virginia colony.[88] Later American English spellings, neger and neggar, prevailed in a northern colony, New York under the Dutch, and in metropolitan Philadelphia's Moravian and Pennsylvania Dutch communities; the African Burial Ground in New York City originally was known by the Dutch name "Begraafplaats van de Neger" (Cemetery of the Negro); an early US occurrence of neger in Rhode Island, dates from 1625.[89] Thomas Jefferson also used the term "black" in his Notes on the State of Virginia in allusion to the slave populations.



Harriet Tubman, an African-American fugitive slave, abolitionist, and conductor of the Underground Railroad
By the 1900s, ****** had become a pejorative word in the United States. In its stead, the term colored became the mainstream alternative to negro and its derived terms. After the African-American Civil rights movement, the terms colored and negro gave way to "black". Negro had superseded colored as the most polite word for African Americans at a time when black was considered more offensive.[90] This term was accepted as normal, including by people classified as Negroes, until the later Civil Rights movement in the late 1960s. One well-known example is the identification by Reverend Martin Luther King, Jr. of his own race as "Negro" in his famous speech of 1963, I Have a Dream. During the American Civil Rights movement of the 1950s and 1960s, some African-American leaders in the United States, notably Malcolm X, objected to the word Negro because they associated it with the long history of slavery, segregation, and discrimination that treated African Americans as second class citizens, or worse.[91] Malcolm X preferred Black to Negro, but later gradually abandoned that as well for Afro-American after leaving the Nation of Islam.[92]

Since the late 1960s, various other terms for African Americans have been more widespread in popular usage. Aside from Black American, these include Afro-American (in use from the late 1960s to 1990) and African American (used in the United States to refer to Black Americans, people often referred to in the past as American Negroes).[93]
 
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