Jamies Wiston rape case takes another turn: Federal Authorities are Investigating FSU(UPDATE)

[Grams]

@phillycavsfan going hard at the police is sneak going hard at Jameis on some "you ain't slick " thing

 

[Big Boss]

 

[Akata Man Bromo]

 

[blackzeus]

Regardless of the date, since when do Feds come in on a college rape case?

 

[goatnole]

Very convenient of them to leave out all the lies from the liar and her lawyer.

 

[Won Won]

That NYT piece doesn't comdemn Jameis at all. They go HARD at the police who investigated the crime tho.

In his announcement, the prosecutor, William N. Meggs, acknowledged a number of shortcomings in the police investigation. In fact, an examination by The New York Times has found that there was virtually no investigation at all, either by the police or the university.

The police did not follow the obvious leads that would have quickly identified the suspect as well as witnesses, one of whom videotaped part of the sexual encounter. After the accuser identified Mr. Winston as her assailant, the police did not even attempt to interview him for nearly two weeks and never obtained his DNA.

The detective handling the case waited two months to write his first report and then prematurely suspended his inquiry without informing the accuser. By the time the prosecutor got the case, important evidence had disappeared, including the video of the sexual act.

“They just missed all the basic fundamental stuff that you are supposed to do,” Mr. Meggs said in a recent interview. Even so, he cautioned, a better investigation might have yielded the same result.

Oh. Well this doesn't seem right.

Officer Pate’s blunt interviewing style did not help, the student said. “The first thing he asked me,” she recounted, “was if I was sure this was rape or if I just didn’t want a baby or wanted the morning after pill.” He also made comments, she said, “like, ‘Are you sure you want to file a report? It will be very awkward, especially for a female.’”

In his complaint to the police, the father wrote that Officer Pate had suggested that an investigation “would be futile, as ‘this kind of stuff happens all the time here.’” The family also said the police had focused more on the accuser than on the accused.

Angulo's first report, filed two months after the alleged assault, show that he had done very little.

• He had not contacted Potbelly's for the contents of their 30 surveillance cameras. (The prosecutor's office would do that, but only after being made aware of the case 11 months after the incident, and by then all the tapes had been reused.)
• He had not sought out a football player named Chris, or even contacted the athletic department. (We reported earlier this month that the player, Chris Casher, took video of the sexual encounter, but by the time authorities learned about it, he had deleted it from his phone.)
• All Angulo had done was to ask the taxi company to email its drivers with a description of the accuser and the three men. There was no response.

Tallahassee police were not able to identify Winston as the suspect until Jan. 10, when the accuser recognized him in class. Police then made two inexplicable moves.

• They waited nearly two weeks to contact Winston—and did so by telephone. He declined to talk, and retained a lawyer who told police Winston would not be speaking with them. "It's insane to call a suspect on the phone," Florida State Attorney Willie Meggs told the Times.
• Angulo decided against obtaining a DNA sample from Winston, despite specific requests from the accuser's attorney. She claims he told her he did not want to do it because it would generate publicity.

But let's just ignore all this fukkery and break it down to CACs out for revenge and sluts looking for attention

 

[phillycavsfan]

And again, if the case was investigated properly at first Jameis might still be innocent. But if someone I knew was a probable rape victim and got that kinda poor investigating I'd be beyond pissed off.

 

[FakeNews]

This piece will get the New York Times a lot of clicks from people who have not followed the case, and reading it without context, including:

• statements from the school, from Winston's previous legal team, from the police;
• that the accuser gave several different, inconsistent accounts in multiple interviews with police;
• That Greg Dent, a player of more notoriety at the time of his alleged incident than Winston was at the time of his, was arrested and is being tried for rape without any suggestion of police impropriety or favoritism;
• that a second semen sample was also found;
• that the accuser cut off contact with and declined to cooperate with police (USA Today, November 27) ;
• that her blood sample was tested three times for drugs, including once by an FBI lab, and none were found,
• That Travis Johnson, referenced but not by name in the final paragraphs, was acquitted in 30 minutes by an all-female jury in a case many believe should never have been prosecuted, etc.,

NYT on Jameis Winston, FSU, TPD investigation - Tomahawk Nation

 

[goatnole]

Florida State University

Spoiler

RESPONSE TO TODAY'S NYT STORY
The university expresses its deep disappointment in today's New York Times story alleging FSU officials did not properly investigate a rape allegation against Jameis Winston "in apparent violation of federal law." It also vigorously objects to the newspaper's characterization of the university as being uncooperative in explaining its actions.

The university provided the newspaper with a general statement (below) and numerous written answers over a period of weeks. Most of the responses were left out of the story, giving readers an incorrect impression of the university's efforts on behalf of sexual assault victims under Title IX.

Among the points FSU emphasized but were either missing or downplayed in the NYT article:

• FSU does not tolerate sexual assault. Even one sexual assault is a problem. Like other colleges and universities that are grappling with this issue, we actively provide programs and educate students on safe behavior, the meaning of consent and how to properly report cases of sexual misconduct. Contrary to the article's over-arching theme, FSU takes this matter seriously.
• State and federal privacy laws govern the university's ability to comment on a particular student or disciplinary matter. This is particularly crucial in cases of sexual assault, where victims may request privacy to heal. To interpret the university's silence as a lack of interest or an insufficient "level of energy" is utterly wrong.
• The university must balance its duty to investigate sexual assault cases with the welfare of the victim. Many students who contact the Victim Advocate Program make it clear they are only seeking counseling and academic accommodations. They either decline or want to delay the decision to go forward with university or criminal proceedings. Guidance from the U.S. Dept. of Education (April 2011 "Dear Colleague" letter) makes it abundantly clear that the university needs to take these wishes into account. To rush victims or disregard their wishes not to proceed would be re-traumatizing and hinder their recovery.
• Nevertheless, as part of its services to victims, the Victim Advocate Program always advises its clients about the option to file a criminal or Code of Conduct complaint or both. Advocates often explain the option more than once and even offer to support the victim through every step of the process, including accompanying the victim to the police station or a student Code of Conduct hearing.
• The article also failed to explain the extent of the other services offered by the university's victim advocates, who are trained and dedicated professionals providing 24-hour, on-call assistance to victims. Among the services are finding a victim or family members a safe place to stay; making referrals to counselors; re-arranging class schedules to accommodate the victim's needs; contacting professors to reschedule exams; finding accommodations for the victim's roommates; planning social accommodations; helping victims drop classes or get copies of their transcripts; and providing support and resources to family members. These accommodations are precisely the type of actions contemplated by the "Dear Colleague" letter and are offered to every victim.
• The Victim Advocate Program operates under a statute unique to Florida that gives all rape crisis counselors a confidentiality privilege. Advocates cannot breach this confidentiality--even to talk to police--without a waiver from the client.
• In the case examined by The Times involving Jameis Winston, no university official outside the Victim Advocate Program received a report from any complainant naming Winston prior to when the allegations were made public in November 2013.
• At no time has there been or is there now a complaint on record from a student referred to by the State Attorney's Office. The university has been aware of the information in The Times article, however, and has fulfilled all of its legal obligations under Title IX.
• The paper's suggestion that FSU underreports sexual assaults is misleading. The campus statistics used by The Times to make that point do not account for the crucial fact that 83 percent of FSU's students live off-campus, where incidents are handled by the Tallahassee Police Department and are not required to be reported as part of the university's annual campus crime statistics. Despite this, the university provides full victim services to any student regardless of where he or she lives.

The Times has done its readers, as well as the FSU community, a disservice by omitting these answers and by seriously misrepresenting the university's concern and care for its students who are victims of sexual assault.

FSU STATEMENT PROVIDED NYT PRIOR TO 4.16.2014
Following is the full statement the university gave The New York Times prior to today's article:

Like all other colleges and universities, FSU is faced with a balancing act when following the "Dear Colleague" letter. The need to investigate possible harassment must be balanced against the rights of and consent from the complainant. As the letter states: "If the complainant requests confidentiality or asks that the complaint not be pursued, the school should take all reasonable steps to investigate and respond to the complaint consistent with the request for confidentiality or request not to pursue an investigation."

Given the inherent tension within the "Dear Colleague" letter, FSU seeks to empower victims by giving great weight to their wishes when it comes to counseling, academic accommodations and supporting them through criminal or university proceedings. In a great number of cases, the victims make it quite clear that they don't want to file a police report or pursue a Code of Conduct process.

FSU's Title IX/Code of Conduct process has worked well for the vast majority of sexual assault cases. The process has provided victims with the emotional and procedural help they need, and the university has handled dozens of cases over the years that have resulted in the discipline of respondents.

 

[goatnole]

Q: XYZ and other police/law enforcement, don't police investigations get dropped all the time if the police don't have their phone calls returned by the accuser? Especially for run of the mill accusations like this one? I mean why wouldn't they?

XYZ: Yes they do. Domestic cases and forcible felonies are more likely to be penned inactive, as there are statute of limitations issues

 

[No..Money..Mo..Problems]

And again, if the case was investigated properly at first Jameis might still be innocent. But if someone I knew was a probable rape victim and got that kinda poor investigating I'd be beyond pissed off.

Since when was he proven guilty without a reasonable doubt

The system finally works in favor of a brotha and you out here c00nin for a little snow bunny that caught feelings. Fuk outta here nikka

 

[phillycavsfan]

Since when was he proven guilty without a reasonable doubt

The system finally works in favor of a brotha and you out here c00nin for a little snow bunny that caught feelings. Fuk outta here nikka

When did I say he was proven guilty? Pretty clear from the NYT piece that procedure wasn't carried out properly. I hope Jameis is innocent, but that don't mean I want him proven innocent by any means necessary. Be thorough and treat this seriously, that's all I ask.

 

[PortCityProphet]

1st of all this thread is hard as fukk to find cause everything in the title is spelled wrong
And 2nd if all I don't know if it's been discussed but he can't be charged with sexual assault again cause of double jeopardy or is that only when you go to court and get off? They trying too hard to get my dude


Nvm he's never been charged my dumb ass

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

"I guess they want us all behind bars, I know it"

 

[Deflatedhoopdreams]

1st of all this thread is hard as fukk to find cause everything in the title is spelled wrong
And 2nd if all I don't know if it's been discussed but he can't be charged with sexual assault again cause of double jeopardy or is that only when you go to court and get off? They trying too hard to get my dude

There are many loopholes in the system. They found one and are capitalizing on it. If the law WANTS to get you THEY WILL someway or another