Kaep Strapped; Super Bowl or Bust the OFFICIAL 49ers 2014 Season Thread

[jwonder]

you view that shyt as binary. thats the mistake here. both you and dora do
it isnt binary. each 'mistake' was a step leading up to harbaugh. without talent and foundation accumulated under each mistake there would be no harbaugh.
without nolan making a 3-4 D and getting justin smith here. without iron mike making VD playing like a leader, without iron mike making baalke draft bowman, without nolan getting pat, etc, etc.

you view it was a kind of a random number generator without any dependence. we rolled bad numbers with previous coaches but we rolled a good one with harbs
it isnt like that. just isnt like that.

I can cut dora a bit of slack tho, cuz Harbs is literally her coach (her college).

No I don't view it like that. The point is did Harbaugh inherit a talented team yes or no? fukk all the formalities.

 

[jwonder]

Im not disagreeing with you. I think harbaugh is a good coach overall but hes lost this team offensively and seems very stubborn about improving the offense. I think we'll be at least ok with this roster.
Im ok with harbaugh being let go. NFL is a business. I was ok with letting mooch go too. all Im saying that I think harbs >>>>> mooch and we'll have waay more talent to work with after

I'm ok with letting him go when I found out he is a dikk head. Your first HC job in the NFL and you trying to run shyt.

I think Harbaugh did this on purpose. I think there was some truth with him being traded to Cleveland this year. So he got butt hurt. Then the Raiders popped up. 49ers pick the right coach. They will be ok.

Furthermore why the fukk did the pick Kaepernick in the first place? I mean seriously Harbaugh has NEVER worked with one of those spread option bums in none of his positions. It appears to me he likes pocket passers.

 

[yseJ]

No I don't view it like that. The point is did Harbaugh inherit a talented team yes or no? fukk all the formalities.

of course. like I said I think we agree here. I just dont agree the previous coaches were 'mistakes'

 

[King Kreole]

Harbaugh is obviously a good coach, but yeah, he inherited one of the most talented teams in the league. So will the next coach. Which is why even if he isn't as good as Harbaugh, we'll be alright. The previous "shytty" coaches we had were the growing pains of getting to be an elite team. It takes time to build a team as good as this one. So while I think getting a dominant HC is important, it's not because they'll have to build the team, it's because they'll have to right the ship. The organization is in disarray, and we need a leader to set it straight. The only problem is that Jed/Baalke may have other plays, in that they'll probably be scared of someone like that because of their experience with Harbaugh. We have the talent to be Superbowl contenders for the foreseeable future, but as this season showed us, talent won't get it done alone. We need to be unified.

 

[Ohene]

Harbaugh is obviously a good coach, but yeah, he inherited one of the most talented teams in the league. So will the next coach. Which is why even if he isn't as good as Harbaugh, we'll be alright. The previous "shytty" coaches we had were the growing pains of getting to be an elite team. It takes time to build a team as good as this one. So while I think getting a dominant HC is important, it's not because they'll have to build the team, it's because they'll have to right the ship. The organization is in disarray, and we need a leader to set it straight. The only problem is that Jed/Baalke may have other plays, in that they'll probably be scared of someone like that because of their experience with Harbaugh. We have the talent to be Superbowl contenders for the foreseeable future, but as this season showed us, talent won't get it done alone. We need to be unified.

do yall believe in Colin at QB long term?

 

[King Kreole]

do yall believe in Colin at QB long term?

I do. He's shown me enough in the past 2.5 years that i'm willing to give him another shot (hopefully under a offense that is catered to his skill set). His talent and potential is unrivalled in the league, but he's gotta start putting it together consistently, or else we gotta start looking somewhere else. He's officially on notice, and If he has another season like this one

But I have faith in Kap

 

[OaklandCertified]

NFL admitted the roughing the passer call was wrong. We all knew it was coming.

 

[dora_da_destroyer]

you view that shyt as binary. thats the mistake here. both you and dora do
it isnt binary. each 'mistake' was a step leading up to harbaugh. without talent and foundation accumulated under each mistake there would be no harbaugh.
without nolan making a 3-4 D and getting justin smith here. without iron mike making VD playing like a leader, without iron mike making baalke draft bowman, without nolan getting pat, etc, etc.

you view it was a kind of a random number generator without any dependence. we rolled bad numbers with previous coaches but we rolled a good one with harbs
it isnt like that. just isnt like that.

I can cut dora a bit of slack tho, cuz Harbs is literally her coach (her college).

actually, i don't, i don't see it as get a good coach = win, nor do i see it as have good players + any half competent coach = win. but i also don't agree with your "everything happens for a reason" approach.

1st you say it took having erikson/nolan/singletary for a series of events to happen, that seems simplistic as we could've hired the "right guy" who could've transitioned the defense, could've lit a fire under VD, could've drafted players who were just as productive as the stars you named, if not the same exact players. maybe the right hire forces the aaron rodgers pick (dude damn near begged to come to us) instead of alex, etc. etc. It doesn't take being a bottom dweller to draft well/find good players. Look at the Raiders/Jags vs. Patriots/Packers and Giants even. The latter draft well while being decent to elite year after year.

2nd i can concede, as i have previously done in this thread, that you sometimes need down years to rebuild. what i don't co-sign (which you seem to be defending) is 8 years of embarrassing performance, where 7-9 seasons were highlights, as some right of passage back to being decent.

3rd I'm also not saying that, by the chance we hire a terrible coach, we immediately drop to a ~4-12 team next season, you seem to be running on that as your argument is our roster is too talented to go back to the dark years. my thoughts are that the wrong hire over the next ~2 years could send us back. we have a lot of questions, at key positions, a lot of dudes are old on d, even p willy. colin, as much as a like him, hasn't made a case for himself this year. vernon, crabs, our o-line....our offense as a whole...i see the "wrong hire" making theses situations worse, the right hire will find patches and/or solutions.

furthermore, i also don't know (maybe you do) who the key cog is in our drafting, but the past 3 drafts were mediocre, at best, to terrible. if that's baalke's work, plus the possibility of missing on the next coaching hire (even making "average" the worst case scenario), that's how i see us falling the fukk off and going back to sub .500 for season after season

4th...don't get me wrong, harbaugh isn't infallible, and i've stated that if the rift is due to him not wanting to make the necessary changes to his approach to the offense, then he needs to go. but you also need to understand that the years where i really started becoming "aware" of the sport, this team, and shyt beyond play on the field, were ~2002 going forward, so i have a huge level of distrust of the yorks, and i don't really know if i trust baalke. that's where most of my trepidation comes from, not some blind stanning of harbaugh (tho i am a stan )

 

[FakeNews]

Tank Carradine finished the game with 19 snaps, and managed a pair of sacks on back-to-back plays. He finished the game with a 1.4 overall grade, and 0.7 in the pass rush. He has gotten limited work, but seems to be making good use of it.

 

[FaTaL]

 

[Dat916nigga]

the Harbaugh Era may have unofficially ended last night but the young guys (hyde, tank, dial) played well

bodes well for the future because these guys are going to be getting a lot of snaps next year after all of the changes are made

 

[yseJ]

actually, i don't, i don't see it as get a good coach = win, nor do i see it as have good players + any half competent coach = win. but i also don't agree with your "everything happens for a reason" approach.

its not really 'everything happens for a reason' approach. it just applies to the 49ers. none of the coaches after mooch (and honestly, mooch himself wasnt all that imo) were good coaches but besides erickson each did something that is really important to this team. if they didnt wed be in the raiders position

1st you say it took having erikson/nolan/singletary for a series of events to happen, that seems simplistic as we could've hired the "right guy" who could've transitioned the defense, could've lit a fire under VD, could've drafted players who were just as productive as the stars you named, if not the same exact players. maybe the right hire forces the aaron rodgers pick (dude damn near begged to come to us) instead of alex, etc. etc.

I dont think its that easy, thats the problem. its ironic because most people on this board always keep on asking 'who but harbaugh' but then you say we 'could hire' someone to build a defense. building a defense isnt easy. the team wasnt built over a fortnight or two. harbaughs results are simply the tip of the iceberg, ie what happened when things fell in place with talented roster and a good HC. harbaugh cant fix a shytty franchise like the raiders in a year and Im not sure any coach can.

It doesn't take being a bottom dweller to draft well/find good players. Look at the Raiders/Jags vs. Patriots/Packers and Giants even. The latter draft well while being decent to elite year after year.

thats fair, but what separates us from the raiders from 2002 on ? that while we were a shytty franchise since then, we built something piece by piece and bunch of those pieces are still on this team right now and form its foundation. unlike us, all the coaches raiders had didnt do shyt at best and at worst sabotaged the franchise even more (palmer trade )

what i don't co-sign (which you seem to be defending) is 8 years of embarrassing performance, where 7-9 seasons were highlights, as some right of passage back to being decent.

8 years IS a long time in the NFL today to rebuild I agree, but again most teams now have *some talent*. this team was abomination in 2004 and drafting alex at #1 set us back a few years. its not happening again.

3rd I'm also not saying that, by the chance we hire a terrible coach, we immediately drop to a ~4-12 team next season, you seem to be running on that as your argument is our roster is too talented to go back to the dark years. my thoughts are that the wrong hire over the next ~2 years could send us back. we have a lot of questions, at key positions, a lot of dudes are old on d, even p willy. colin, as much as a like him, hasn't made a case for himself this year. vernon, crabs, our o-line....our offense as a whole...i see the "wrong hire" making theses situations worse, the right hire will find patches and/or solutions.

well we already set ourselves back this year didnt we ? if we dont make the playoffs next year there isnt any difference between this and next year. the absolute worst that can happen to the offense is us rebuilding it completely, probably with new line, new receivers , new rb and possibly new qb. yet again I cant see it being *that* much worse than it is now. its just my opinion of course. this team clearly lost its hunger, theyre going through the motions with a few outbursts of hunger here and there. a new coach can possibly liven this team up and improve the offense

furthermore, i also don't know (maybe you do) who the key cog is in our drafting, but the past 3 drafts were mediocre, at best, to terrible. if that's baalke's work, plus the possibility of missing on the next coaching hire (even making "average" the worst case scenario), that's how i see us falling the fukk off and going back to sub .500 for season after season

I don't know (who does ?), but Id say that its much more difficult drafting for a team that seems really stacked and where coaches are reluctant to give many chances to rookies unless injuries happen. baalke had amazing drafts in 2010 and 2011, had a dud in 2012, ok draft in 2013 (really depends on reid and tank), and 2014 seems to be very good as well besides ward.

 

[South Paw]

If the op of a thread gets banned, does the thread really exist?

 

[Juanito]

Harbaugh isn't a bad coach but he was gone this year either way(unless we won the bowl) so I'm not rly mad. If we can get an OC that doesn't have his head up his ass and build successfully in the offseason we should be fine. We had one bad year in the last 4 lets not blow up the team.or act like we don't have tons of talent on both sides of the ball. We just had too many injuries to key players, our o-line played like shyt and the playcalling was awful this year. I have plenty of faith in Kap if we can get a coach who is willing to work on his strengths and maximize his true talent to the highest level. Heard Mike Holmgren was interested p sure he was a OC for the Niners back in the day. Our defense was supposed to be our weak point but played surprisingly well, we just need to know our identity which is run first and allow Kap to create plays when he can we should be fine. I'm not ready to give up on the team just yet. We're gonna lost guys like Crab in FA and that's fine but we have too much talent to think because Harbaugh is gone that its over. Next year we will be right back.

 

[South Paw]

Next year we will be right back.