Mike Dean: "I've Made Half The Black Music U Love"

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thoughts of a cac.

Completely ignore that music is extremely cultural and that cultural appropriation is a serious issue, b-r-e-h-s

1. I'm a black, trini nikka, so take ur cac ish n suck ya momma.

2. Music can be cultural, but doesn't mean the culture 'owns' it. Music isn't a physical object, once it leaves the instrument, or speaker, mouth its free in the air for any1 to enjoy.

What 1 person hears or feels from a note or chord maybe different from the next. Maybe whenever u hear a certain melody it reminds u of a ex, while may remind sum1 of their mother who sang it to them b4 they went to bed.

Ppl whether or white, black, grey or purple get this sense of ownership out ur minds. Ownership is slave master shyt and no1 owns shyt.
 

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1. I'm a black, trini nikka, so take ur cac ish n suck ya momma.

2. Music can be cultural, but doesn't mean the culture 'owns' it. Music isn't a physical object, once it leaves the instrument, or speaker, mouth its free in the air for any1 to enjoy.

What 1 person hears or feels from a note or chord maybe different from the next. Maybe whenever u hear a certain melody it reminds u of a ex, while may remind sum1 of their mother who sang it to them b4 they went to bed.

Ppl whether or white, black, grey or purple get this sense of ownership out ur minds. Ownership is slave master shyt and no1 owns shyt.

A cultural expression belongs to those who created it. It's the expression of their genius. nobody will say that russian literature doesn't belong to the russian culture.

It's not "to belong" in the the commercial or/and economical sense, it's in the symbolic sense.

It's impossible to forbid people to have pride in what they created as a people and to claim it. It's an expression of their collective mind. The same way an individual who creates something (a book, a partition of music) owns it; it's HIS creation. Even though the economic right attached to that creation belongs to someone else ( a corporation), Nobody will forbid the creator of that book or music to say "this is my creation". You can't separate the works of the mind from its creator. You can separate the use or the commercial gain but not the work itself. Never.
 

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Edit: I did NOT know he was 51 years old... :skip:
 

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No Scott was crafting main melodies not simply replaying samples and tweaking already made beats like Mike does. And Scott also had a huge solo run chocked with career creating hits Mike piggybacks off other black producers

No, Scott Storch has the same career arc as Mike Dean.

Yes, Scott had his run of hits he did - but so does Mike.
So you lookin' real funny givin' Scott Storch props and tryin' to downplay Mike Dean in here,
when there's a reason Timbaland said Scott was "just a piano man"...
 
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No, Scott Storch has the same career arc as Mike Dean.

Yes, Scott had his run of hits he did - but so does Mike.
So you lookin' real funny givin' Scott Storch props and tryin' to downplay Mike Dean in here,
when there's a reason Timbaland said Scott was "just a piano man"...
Scott had solo number one records, He helped introduce Chris Brown and Beyonce as a solo artist to the world, And although i agree that people are wrong when they say Scott ghost produced for Tim and Dre i know that he was more than just a keyboardist.
 
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Edit: I did NOT know he was 51 years old... :skip:
On most of these he only contributed one or two songs on the album and in most cases it was in conjunction with other black producers.
 
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A cultural expression belongs to those who created it. It's the expression of their genius. nobody will say that russian literature doesn't belong to the russian culture.

It's not "to belong" in the the commercial or/and economical sense, it's in the symbolic sense.

It's impossible to forbid people to have pride in what they created as a people and to claim it. It's an expression of their collective mind. The same way an individual who creates something (a book, a partition of music) owns it; it's HIS creation. Even though the economic right attached to that creation belongs to someone else ( a corporation), Nobody will forbid the creator of that book or music to say "this is my creation". You can't separate the works of the mind from its creator. You can separate the use or the commercial gain but not the work itself. Never.

Very nice breakdown. I would say though once the work has left the creative person's mind and is put out into the world. They no longer own it. It's free,it's out there. It can grow change and develop. And often that's what happens with music. That note or chord u can't own it. I can't slap a tree and say hey I own that sound from now on.

One of the problems with black ppl in America is they all want to be included and eligible for everything. But still wanna exclude other from things. Can't have it both ways. Gotta be free and open to collaborate on both ends.
 

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Very nice breakdown. I would say though once the work has left the creative person's mind and is put out into the world. They no longer own it. It's free,it's out there. It can grow change and develop. And often that's what happens with music. That note or chord u can't own it. I can't slap a tree and say hey I own that sound from now on.

One of the problems with black ppl in America is they all want to be included and eligible for everything. But still wanna exclude other from things. Can't have it both ways. Gotta be free and open to collaborate on both ends.
F U idiot. Well done with the cac talking points. Why do you cacs have copyright laws for your music then? Hip-Hop is from Black people, for Black people, get that in your thick skull.
 

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Art is subjective, we talking hip hop than we talking about a genre of music which annexed influences and makes references to shyt rooted in other cultures, shyt that isn't predominantly/ uniquely AA... The whole culture of sampling would than be cultural appropriation ?? references to mob culture, kung fu movies etc...

Instead of arguing who should make/listen to hip hop, the argument should really be who should own it, and that's no doubt AA's......

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nikkas don't claim to have made "half the kung fu movies/mob movies you love."

Please stop.

1. I'm a black, trini nikka, so take ur cac ish n suck ya momma.

cool :duck:

Well I'm Black. verified. Until i see them videos/pics, I'll just assume you're not Black until proven otherwise.

2. Music can be cultural, but doesn't mean the culture 'owns' it.

Please read this wiki entry on polka:

Polka - Wikipedia

By the way, look up the names of the people in the International Polka Association. See if any of them are not European (if not predominately Eastern European or straight up Polish) :salute:

Also, show up at a Polish party playing polka and see if they take you seriously. :salute:

Better yet, try to book a polka-playing gig at some Polish spot and see if they stay on the line longer than 1 minute :salute:

Music isn't a physical object, once it leaves the instrument, or speaker, mouth its free in the air for any1 to enjoy.

yes. Anyone can enjoy. But 'production' and 'ownership' is a different ball game.

It's actually weird as fukk for you to say this being that you're supposedly Trini. :troll: Trinidad is the leader and practically the owner of "soca tourism." And best believe, the Trinidadian government and its people are very protective on who gets to lead soca. It's their main export. When the Soca Monarch competitions started, it wasn't even open to Soca musicans from around the world. It got changed later to allow competitors from around the world, and still it's run in Trinidad. The "Calypso Monarch" competition is still limited to Trini nationals.

You really think smart people give up their cultural products like that? :dead: It has nothing to do with tangible vs intangible. Yes, intangibles are harder to control but best believe, people still control them shyts (or at least try to).

If you wanted to make champagne right now, you'd run into problems:

Champagne (French: [ʃɑ̃.paɲ]) is a sparkling wine produced from grapes grown in the Champagne region of France following rules that demand, among other things, secondary fermentation of the wine in the bottle to create carbonation, specific vineyard practices, sourcing of grapes exclusively from specific parcels in the Champagne appellation and specific pressing regimes unique to the region.[1] Some use the term Champagne as a generic term for sparkling wine,[2][3] but in many countries, it is illegal to officially label any product Champagne unless it both comes from the Champagne region and is produced under the rules of the appellation.[4]

Basically, if it aint made from the Champange region in France, it aint champagne. Anyone can enjoy champagne, but not everyone can make the shyt.

I hope that answers all your questions :salute:
 

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Very nice breakdown. I would say though once the work has left the creative person's mind and is put out into the world. They no longer own it. It's free,it's out there. It can grow change and develop. And often that's what happens with music. That note or chord u can't own it. I can't slap a tree and say hey I own that sound from now on.

One of the problems with black ppl in America is they all want to be included and eligible for everything. But still wanna exclude other from things. Can't have it both ways. Gotta be free and open to collaborate on both ends.

piece of shyt cacdemon FOH! :pacspit:
 

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No, Scott Storch has the same career arc as Mike Dean.

Yes, Scott had his run of hits he did - but so does Mike.
So you lookin' real funny givin' Scott Storch props and tryin' to downplay Mike Dean in here,
when there's a reason Timbaland said Scott was "just a piano man"...

Gotta disagree. Storch is a legit certified "solo" producer. Had his own distinct sound and the game in a chokehold for a minute too in his run. There are plenty of videos of him creating whole records.. not just playing keys. Can't say the same for Dean cause his biggest joints have been collabs with other big producers.
 
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