Official Bernie Sanders HQ: Not Me, Us!

[Berniewood Hogan]

Too old.

If Bernie spent 30 years trying to pass legislation, he'd have a stronger case.

Look, if you like Bernie because he's as far to the left as you've ever seen, fine. But president? Really? So he can get in office and be railroaded?

Trump can't even do everything he wants and he was in control of all 3 branches.

A president you want can be any democrat (hint: a democrat). Thats why i'm not worried with anyone we pick. Even Kamala Harris WILL sign the legislation the democrats put in front of her. Focus on winning, not political pornography.

Legislators should legislate and Bernie should have learned that.

At least Elizabeth Warren has...

I know what you’re doing right now, and it doesn’t work on me.

 

[BoBurnz]

Of the entire field he's the only one that's not running on "we just need things to go back to normal" and trying to push this genie back in the bottle.

We can't "go back" so these candidates need to recognize that and get in line that things are different and that the political norms that they've abided by their entire lives don't exist anymore. So it's either vote for Bernie and hope he inspires the change necessary to actually save this country or just roll with the idea that we can re-establish normality that we shouldn't be trying to do in the first place.

I personally have issues with some of Bernies policy implementation ideas, but for what this country needs right now he's probably the best option of the field, barring one of the other candidates magically growing a spine.

 

[Berniewood Hogan]

a successor would be better option, such as Warren

article explained why warren sucks:

Elizabeth Warren’s politics aren’t impressive, and they never have been; all she has ever leaned on is a rigid obsession with the sort of basic financial regulation that barely mitigates capitalism’s greatest crimes. She’s not charismatic and appears to have absolutely zero understanding of what voters want in a candidate, as indicated by her pre-campaign soft launch on a bit of specious family lore about Native American heritage. Literally no one cares, and yet she keeps doubling down on it, and that’s because she’s weak. She chokes, she flinches, she reacts every time Trump insults her, and thus the public is far more familiar with her defensive “Orange Man is Mean to Me” ethnic delusion than they are her “Accountable Capitalism Act” (really inspiring name there, Liz).

Warren, who didn’t stop voting Republican until 1995, said in 2011, “I was a Republican because I thought that those were the people who best supported markets. I think that is not true anymore.” Again displaying her tone-deaf penchant for doubling down when the situation desperately calls for changing the subject, she explained further, “I was a Republican at a time when I felt like there was a problem that the markets were under a lot more strain. It worried me whether or not the government played too activist a role.” Then she declined to say whether she voted for Ronald Reagan. (Incidentally, these quotes come from a Daily Beast interview headlined “I Created Occupy Wall Street,” an ungenerous fudge on Warren’s original statement that she “created much of the intellectual foundation of what they do” and her professed support for the Occupy insurgency. One might still accuse her of taking too much credit for the “movement,” but given the futility and ultimate failure of Occupy, I’d argue it’s actually pretty fair to call her its Fairy Godmother.)

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Of the entire field he's the only one that's not running on "we just need things to go back to normal" and trying to push this genie back in the bottle.

We can't "go back" so these candidates need to recognize that and get in line that things are different and that the political norms that they've abided by their entire lives don't exist anymore. So it's either vote for Bernie and hope he inspires the change necessary to actually save this country or just roll with the idea that we can re-establish normality that we shouldn't be trying to do in the first place.

I personally have issues with some of Bernies policy implementation ideas, but for what this country needs right now he's probably the best option of the field, barring one of the other candidates magically growing a spine.

Bernie is just TALKING though.

FFS, even Elizabeth Warren can drop a binder full of LEGISLATION she wants.

Bernie will just talk aimlessly about ideas, but thats not his job. If he wants to be a polemicist he can go write articles in the NYTimes Op-Ed section.

We need LEGISLATORS.

 

[BoBurnz]

That said the cat is too old for this. It's shameful that this is the best crop of candidates we can field and that a nikka who will be lucky to not be battling dementia and senility like our dear glorious leader is right now is the "best" option as it stands, today.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Given how wrong the polling was for the general, are we sure you wanna hang your hat on that?

Depends on what polling you're referencing and which specific states polling you want to reference. Trump was shown as winning or losing states like ohio and Florida in state wide polls by margin of errors close to election day. Iowa was long ceded to Trump before election day, and Wisconsin, PA, and Michigan was always close for Clinton before the election.

Most of the "polling was wrong!!!" rhetoric was either people who didn't understand polls or listening to a few over aggressive pollsters who made such proclaimations such as "Hillary had a 99% chance!" .

However take the famous Nate silver, who gave Hillary a 70% chance which people ignore also means she had a 30% chance of losing. Also Silver was probably only one sincerely pushing the popular and electoral vote split that ended up happening.

See
The Odds Of An Electoral College-Popular Vote Split Are Increasing

 

[BoBurnz]

Bernie is just TALKING though.

FFS, even Elizabeth Warren can drop a binder full of LEGISLATION she wants.

Bernie will just talk aimlessly about ideas, but thats not his job. If he wants to be a polemicist he can go write articles in the NYTimes Op-Ed section.

We need LEGISLATORS.

Yes, he is talking. And at where we're at in the current political polemic that we're in now, we need someone that even without the litany of legislative successes (in no small part because his ideas 20-30 years ago would get laughed out of the room) to shift the overton window back left. And inspire people to run on platforms that aren't afraid to discuss a higher marginal tax rate, universal health care, comprehensive and total educational reforms. And on and on.

A large part of the President's responsibility is to reflect and inspire the national character. We need someone in charge who isn't afraid to challenge the current one and spit in it's face. If Warren or Beto or any of the others stop openly advocating for Austerity and the continued degradation of US health care then we can come to the table and talk. But they need to start singing those tunes, I am not going back to the normalcy of where everything is just shaking hands and compromise. This nation needs major reforms.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

Yes, he is talking. And at where we're at in the current political polemic that we're in now, we need someone that even without the litany of legislative successes (in no small part because his ideas 20-30 years ago would get laughed out of the room) to shift the overton window back left. And inspire people to run on platforms that aren't afraid to discuss a higher marginal tax rate, universal health care, comprehensive and total educational reforms. And on and on.

A large part of the President's responsibility is to reflect and inspire the national character. We need someone in charge who isn't afraid to challenge the current one and spit in it's face. If Warren or Beto or any of the others stop openly advocating for Austerity and the continued degradation of US health care then we can come to the table and talk. But they need to start singing those tunes, I am not going back to the normalcy of where everything is just shaking hands and compromise. This nation needs major reforms.

The national character has to reflect complexity, stability, and realism.

Bernie has ...like none of those.

And i'm favorable to his campaign.

I don't see him as a leader of a nation of 320 million. I see him as an agent to change legislation.

Look, unless you're calling for some Russian revolution shyt...then you can figure out how to do your job like every progressive party in the world did.

 

[Dr. Acula]

Dude. This is my issue.

I want the congress to be more liberal than the president.

I'll just say it.

Cause theres only so much you can do from the POTUS office.

Make. Laws.

That should be the point.

At this point, especially in 2020, the most important issue is the supreme Court. Making sure that you do EVERYTHING to win the presidency to replace RBG who can't even make arguments this week and is still recovering, takes priority over everything. Honestly given that, everything should be behind that priority.

So you need to put your absolutely best foot forward in 2020 and that means nominating who can give you the biggest advantage to win the white house. More than likely you do that, a hugely democratic Congress will be a wind fall of that .

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

If you have the congress, the white house doesn't matter in the long run.

You don't get Medicare for All from the white house. You never will.

Think long term like the republicans do.

Bernie is a flash in the pan.

Either this is a MOVEMENT...or a CULT

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

At this point, especially in 2020, the most important issue is the supreme Court. Making sure that you do EVERYTHING to win the presidency to replace RBG who can't even make arguments this week and is still recoving, takes priority over everything. Honestly given that, everything should be behind that priority.

I WHOLLY agree.

 

[☑︎#VoteDemocrat]

He won all the states Hillary lost in the general that cost her the election. Her primary win was mainly bolstered by southern states she never had a chance in winning in the general or safe democratic states. He won Wisconsin, Michigan, and Indiana. None of them are caucus states.

All national polling and polling in the above mentioned states showed Sanders having a bigger lead over Trump than Clinton and sometimes by double digits.

You can't triangulate primary and general results.

so bernie won non-democratic caucus states...

Is that the argument you wanna have?

 

[Dr. Acula]

so bernie won non-democratic caucus states...

Is that the argument you wanna have?

He won Wisconsin and Michigan and also probably would have held PA and Ohio based on the demographic similarities of the other two states .

None of those states are caucus states and all data shows that if Sanders was the nominee we wouldn't have Trump which is all that matters. Anything else is secondary.

 

[acri1]

At this point, especially in 2020, the most important issue is the supreme Court. Making sure that you do EVERYTHING to win the presidency to replace RBG who can't even make arguments this week and is still recovering, takes priority over everything. Honestly given that, everything should be behind that priority.

So you need to put your absolutely best foot forward in 2020 and that means nominating who can give you the biggest advantage to win the white house. More than likely you do that, a hugely democratic Congress will be a wind fall of that .

I tried to tell people this in 2016 (and have the posts here to prove it) but all I ever got was some variation of "both sides" or "but her emails".

Considering how much people want to push this Bernie vs. Hillary bullshyt, I'm not optimistic things will be any different in 2020.


I would personally prefer someone not closely associated with either so idiots won't make up excuses not to vote.

 

[BoBurnz]

I tried to tell people this in 2016 (and have the posts here to prove it) but all I ever got was some variation of "both sides" or "but her emails".

Considering how much people want to push this Bernie vs. Hillary bullshyt, I'm not optimistic things will be any different in 2020.


I would personally prefer someone not closely associated with either so idiots won't make up excuses not to vote.

Real talk though, RBG should have retired in 2014 She knew damn well she didn't have 10 years left in her.