RUSSIA 🇷🇺 Thread: Wikileaks=FSB front, UKRAINE?, SNOWED LIED; NATO Aggression; Trump = Putins B!tch

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I’ve speculated on this for some time, especially in light of the Russian interference in the 2016 election. It astounds me just how we have an open conspiracy before our eyes, and yet, it is resisted and expressed as little more than a fairy tale. These groups have been running around wreaking havoc since at least the Ron Paul days(that I can place, at least).

It’s necessary to connect the dots. Snowden was merely a tool utilized to sow distrust in the government on the technological front, feeding into the narrative that the media merely functions as an informal apparatus of the state. Wikileaks damaged American influence worldwide, and curiously enough, none of it was ever directed at Russia.

Furthermore, in the 2016 race, the GOP was also hacked, and yet none of that sensitive information has ever seen the light of day. Obama made an attempt to warn the public, but declined in fear of appearing partisan, and also due to threats from McConnell. Weeks before the election and those emails were released, torpedoing Hillary’s chances.
Again, it wasn't until 2016 and more specifically the last 6 months of Russia's invasion have the antibodies FINALLY kicked in to realize how russian info-ops work and infect the public with bullshyt.

The intelligence community is now finally warning people of legit threats and the lies aren't working anymore.
 

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The cognitive dissonance of Russia stans boggles my mind, but in truth it's logical.

You KNOW that all the pro-Kremlin media in Russia is controlled by the Kremlin, and you KNOW that they're giving you fake, ridiculous stories to prop up Putin. Stuff like the 15 different, contradictory explanations for why Russian-backed forces didn't shoot down MH-17 even after they had just celebrated Russian-backed forces shooting down a plane on air.

:mjlol:


So when you know all your pro-Russia news is fake, why do you still believe it? Because it you believe that the rest of the world's news was real, it would force you to accept that Russia ain't shyt anymore. That not only are you still not free, but other countries are doing better than you in just about everything. That not only do you have rampant religious oppression, press oppression, political oppression, and speech oppression, but your economy ain't shyt, your health ain't shyt, and you have active wars both just outside and within your borders.

And Russians are already depressed enough as it is. :yeshrug:


So in order to maintain the cognitive dissonance to resist the idea that other countries have press freedoms that you do not, and that other places are actually doing better than Russia's sorry state, you have to push the narrative that the entire global media, in hundreds of nations and controlled by hundreds of corporations, is single-mindedly working together to shyt on Russia...just because it's fun.

:obama:


Believing that one ultra-authoritarian country is controlling their media, with ample evidence, is easy. Believing that the entire rest of the globe, without the same authoritarian power, is controlling privately-owned global media with no evidence at all...a little harder to swallow.

But, of course, if you're in Russia, what do you have besides that hope, and vodka?

So don't think I hate you. I love a lot about Russia. I read some of your authors all the time, they're some of the greatest ever. And I understand why it's so depressing to be you right now.

I'm not even posting from an English-speaking country, if that matters to you. And I've got Russian-speaking acquaintances who have cleared out major shyt for me on this.

As far as "selective conspiracy", Kremlin control of news in Russia isn't a conspiracy, it's a known, open fact. The Kremlin owns or controls all five major television stations, some of the most important radio stations and newspapers, and about 60% of distributed press overall. And they have closed down non-obedient stations whenever they want. They don't have the same freedom of speech laws, so journalists and even bloggers are in prison simply for posting news or even their mere opinions. Tens of thousands of websites are banned because they tell things Russia doesn't want the public to know. A large number of independent media have been forcibly closed or taken over by pro-active operators.

None of that requires "conspiracy". The fact that state-controlled media is dominant in Russia is a basic fact.

Of course, get to the 56 journalists murdered in the last twenty years for not toeing the State line, with most of those "umsolved"...


The American government doesn't own media. Rather than a single man on top, political control actually passes around. Freedom of press is in the Constitution. Stations aren't getting shut down for posting independent news, and journalists aren't getting killed/imprisoned left and right for reporting inconvenient facts.

Not to mention that we're talking way outside simply America, across most other global media as well. Everyone except Russians knew Russian soldiers were in Crimea. Everyone except Russians knows that the are Russians involved in the Ukraine war right now. Everyone except Russians knows that Russian-backed rebels shot down MH-17. And the economy sucks, journalists die, opposition politicians die, Putin elections are a joke, Chechnya was a mess and is still scary, Syria is just an excuse to keep Assad propped up and hold that base... No one in the globe doubts any of that unless they listen to Russian state media or really want to impress the people who do.
 

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U.S. Fears Russia Might Put a Nuclear Weapon in Space
American spy agencies are divided on whether Moscow would go so far, but the concern is urgent enough that Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken has asked China and India to try to talk Russia down.

Feb. 17, 2024, 4:06 p.m. ET
Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken speaking while sitting in a chair, wearing a navy suit, black tie and white shirt.
Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken raised concerns about developments in Russia’s nuclear capability at the Munich Security Conference this weekend.Thomas Kienzle/Pool, via Associated Press

When Russia conducted a series of secret military satellite launches around the time of its invasion of Ukraine in early 2022, American intelligence officials began delving into the mystery of what, exactly, the Russians were doing.

Later, spy agencies discovered Russia was working on a new kind of space-based weapon that could threaten the thousands of satellites that keep the world connected.

In recent weeks, a new warning has circulated from America’s spy agencies: Another launch may be in the works, and the question is whether Russia plans to use it to put a real nuclear weapon into space — a violation of a half-century old treaty. The agencies are divided on the likelihood that President Vladimir V. Putin would go so far, but nonetheless the intelligence is an urgent concern to the Biden administration.

Even if Russia does place a nuclear weapon in orbit, U.S. officials are in agreement in their assessment that the weapon would not be detonated. Instead, it would lurk as a time bomb in low orbit, a reminder from Mr. Putin that if he was pressed too hard with sanctions, or military opposition to his ambitions in Ukraine or beyond, he could destroy economies without targeting humans on earth.

Despite the uncertainties, Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken raised the possibility of the Russian nuclear move with his Chinese and Indian counterparts on Friday and Saturday on the sidelines of the Munich Security Conference.

Mr. Blinken’s message was blunt: Any nuclear detonation in space would take out not only American satellites but also those in Beijing and New Delhi. Global communications systems would fail, making everything from emergency services to cell phones to the regulation of generators and pumps go awry. Debris from the explosion would scatter throughout low-earth orbit and make navigation difficult if not impossible for everything from Starlink satellites, used for internet communications, to spy satellites.


Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken talking with Subrahmanyam Jaishankar, India’s external affairs minister, at the conference. Thomas Kienzle/Pool, via Associated Press
Since Mr. Putin has made clear his disdain for the United States, Mr. Blinken told them, it was up to the leaders of China and India, President Xi Jinping and Prime Minister Narendra Modi, to talk him down from what could turn into a disaster.

In a statement on Saturday, the State Department said that in his meetings Mr. Blinken had “emphasized that the pursuit of this capability should be a matter of concern.”

“He will continue raising it in additional meetings at the Munich Security Conference,” the statement continued.

Secretary of State Antony J. Blinken, wearing a navy suit and tie, shaking the hand of Wang Yi, who wears a gray suit and purple tie. The flags of their nations are behind them.
The Chinese foreign minister, Wang Yi, emphasized the need for the peaceful use of outer space.Wolfgang Rattay/Pool, via Reuters
It was unclear how much of the intelligence about the 2022 Russian satellite tests, which has not been previously reported, Mr. Blinken shared when he met with China’s foreign minister, Wang Yi, or with India’s, Subrahmanyam Jaishankar.

Some intelligence officials had objected to sharing too much about what the U.S. knows because the details of the Russian program remain highly classified, U.S. officials said. But others argued that the United States needed to share enough to convince China and India of the seriousness of the threat. During the Munich meetings the two men took in the information, officials said, and Mr. Wang repeated China’s usual lines about the importance of the peaceful use of outer space.

Mr. Blinken was attempting to replicate what American officials believe was a series of successful warnings to Mr. Putin in October 2022, when there was serious alarm in Washington that Russia was preparing to use a tactical nuclear weapon in Ukraine. Mr. Putin backed off the threats, though it is still unclear how much pressure he was under, especially from Mr. Xi, who has tightened his ties with Moscow.

Both the United States and Soviet Union briefly tested nuclear weapons in space before the ratification of the 1967 Outer Space Treaty, which bans the placement of nuclear weapons of any kind into orbit, as well as further nuclear detonations in space. A 1962 test by the United States, launched from Johnston Atoll in the Pacific Ocean, was particularly damaging. Exploding 250 miles into the atmosphere, the electromagnetic pulse destroyed electronics in Hawaii, disrupting telephone service there, and took out at least a half dozen orbiting satellites out of the sky, and damaged others.

Realizing how damaging the test was, a year later the United States and the Soviet Union signed the Limited Nuclear Test Ban Treaty, which prohibited nuclear testing in the atmosphere or outer space.

If Mr. Putin deployed the weapon into low-earth orbit, American officials fear it would do more than simply violate the 1967 treaty. It is one of the last remaining major arms control treaties still in effect. Biden administration officials have expressed concerns that if Russia violates it, other nations — such as North Korea — may follow suit.

For Mr. Putin, launching a nuclear weapon into space would escalate his growing confrontation with the United States and Europe. His inability to take over Ukraine, even with a far larger military, has vividly demonstrated the limits of Russia’s conventional forces. In the view of American and European intelligence agencies, that has made him more dependent on nuclear arms and cyberattacks, his most potent asymmetric weapons.

One senior intelligence official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss sensitive nuclear matters, said that he thought Russia was developing space-based nuclear weapons because Mr. Putin believes none of his adversaries, including the United States, would risk a direct confrontation with Russia over the deployment of a nuclear-armed satellite.

Another intelligence official, speaking on condition of anonymity for the same reason, said that Mr. Putin might be betting that the threat of a nuclear explosion in space is different from the threat of the destruction of Los Angeles or London. The official added that Mr. Putin would be threatening hardware rather than people, which he may believe gives him more latitude to deploy the new satellite.

Publicly, the White House has only described the new Russian weapon as antisatellite technology, offering no details. But officials have insisted it poses no direct threat to human populations.

“We are not talking about a weapon that can be used to attack human beings or cause physical destruction here on earth,” John F. Kirby, a senior national security official, told reporters.

The new intelligence came to light after a cryptic public warning on Tuesday by Representative Michael Turner, Republican of Ohio and chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, that the U.S. had new intelligence about a “serious national security threat.”

Mr. Turner had been sending letters of concern about the antisatellite technology for weeks. He had grown frustrated and feared the administration was not taking it seriously enough, U.S. officials said, an allegation that administration officials deny.

Mr. Turner’s comments on Tuesday angered the White House and spy agencies because of their predictable effect: reporters scrambling to learn more about the intelligence began uncovering details of the antisatellite weapon.

On Thursday, Mr. Kirby said President Biden had ordered a diplomatic push, without describing the plan in detail.

“He has directed a series of initial actions, including additional briefings to congressional leaders, direct diplomatic engagement with Russia, with our allies and our partners as well, and with other countries around the world who have interests at stake,” Mr. Kirby said.
 
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