Stunts, Blunts & Basketball: The 2013-14 New York Knicks Season Thread

[nomoreneveragain]

Got rid of the best 3pt shooters, Novak/Cope it's rearing it's ugly head.

THjr, JR are the definition of streaky shooters. Metta is awful from 3

Shumpert is a good 3pt shooter but we don't have the ball movement to get him 4 looks a game.

 

[K-ZOE]

Yeah playa playa its all relative ..........dont look at the league please look at the NYK roster..........yes he doesnt finish well but he isnt a ball hog n is a two way (pause) player sadly thats how low the bar is

Looking solely and completely only at the Knicks roster, Shumpert is not efficient and not a 2 way player. Efficient players can make lay ups. 2 way players have more in there arsenal than an open jump shot. You're kidding yourself.

 

[Trip]

The Melo/JR show is going exactly as planned. Scapegoating Shumpert...gotta love it.

Until people realize the team is built around two losing players nothing will change

 

[pimpineasy]

Looking solely and completely only at the Knicks roster, Shumpert is not efficient and not a 2 way player. Efficient players can make lay ups. 2 way players have more in there arsenal than an open jump shot. You're kidding yourself.

ok who on the nyk roster is more of a 2 way player......prig is the only one i can think of

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Any reasonable person who knows a little bit about basketball can tell that Iman Shumpert is a winning Basketball player.

He might not be a star but he's a winning basketball player.

You put Khawi Leonard or Jimmy Butler on the Knicks and idiots like K-Zoe will try to run him out of town

 

[nomoreneveragain]

Carmelo Anthony & JR Smith took a combined 33 shots last night, to go along with only 2 assists. These two must get their teammates involved

 

[BlackMagnus514]

Woodson needs to stop rewarding Smith for his bad play. He never yanks him for playing bad but would yank shump with no hesitation. At least Shump plays some D. Your boy smith missed 4 fts. Smh gave these dudes a free food and shyt. FOH.

Woodson needs to realize that out PG play is pure shyt. They can't stay in front of the younger PGs so it IS TIME for him to play Murray at point. At least Murray can play some D. He will make mistakes but I think it will be a better look for us to play him and bring Felton off the bench. We have nothing else to lose. We should at least try. It is not like we have been winning. Do it now while we are losing. I look forward to Tyson returning and Jeremy Tyler getting picked up and given some real minutes.

Bruh, i was saying the SAME thing about Smith the other day. I don't know if it's some shadowy CAA thing or Woodson treating JR like some experiment, but JR's leash is too long. Hell, even THJR has a longer leash than Shump, and it's baffling. JR will miss jumpers instead of going to the hoop and at least drawing fouls. And as far as the PG, we haven't had youth at the position for YEARS. Felton's food and a continual victim. I remember there was like a 5 game streak last year where PGs were dropping 20+ on him.

thank you. NYK fans who understand basketball need to speak up more .... i never liked this team even when we were winning because the basketball was too predicated on streaky shooting ..... a simple pick n roll and too many isos.

I said the same thing last year, and cats looked at me like i was bugging. They got exposed in the playoffs. Woodson should know that the three pointer is a low percentage shot and that the Knicks traditionally played inside out, but he insists on letting streaky volume scorers get their numbers by any means and stifling the ball movement of the rest of the team.

The Melo/JR show is going exactly as planned. Scapegoating Shumpert...gotta love it.

Until people realize the team is built around two losing players nothing will change

Basically. Everything is all Shumps fault, yet Woodson doesn't yank JR after bad shots or demand Melo pass the ball more.

 

[K-ZOE]

ok who on the nyk roster is more of a 2 way player......prig is the only one i can think of

Or you can consider the fact that the Knicks have no 2 way players. Try that.

Any reasonable person who knows a little bit about basketball can tell that Iman Shumpert is a winning Basketball player.

He might not be a star but he's a winning basketball player.

You put Khawi Leonard or Jimmy Butler on the Knicks and idiots like K-Zoe will try to run him out of town

Winning basketball players produce wins.

Shumpert isn't on the same level as Leonard or Butler. They do everything basketball related better than him.

You not knowing these facts makes you the idiot.

 

[mvp_status]

The team has produced better on both ends of the floor when JR is on the bench, numbers don't lie

But let's ignore that and Melo shooting 42% on the yr while hogging the ball every 4th quarter, so we can continue talking about what Iman is or is not doing

 

[Trip]

Melo decided not to take a half court shot last night to preserve his shooting % lol

 

[K-ZOE]

So if I understand correctly, criticizing Iman Shumpert is somehow defending JR Smith and Carmelo Anthony?

 

[mvp_status]

So if I understand correctly, criticizing Iman Shumpert is somehow defending JR Smith and Carmelo Anthony?

No but when you look at the problems on this team, Shumpert is at the bottom of that totem pole

 

[OneManGang]

We just need to admit Shump isn't that good. The team is flawed all over.

 

[Wargames]

The Melo/JR show is going exactly as planned. Scapegoating Shumpert...gotta love it.

Until people realize the team is built around two losing players nothing will change

Or hear me out here. Until the knicks all star level Center Tyson Chandler who usually

1) keeps fast point guards out the paint through intimidation
2) limits the other teams points in the post
3) is the teams main rebounder
4) provides about 6-12 easy points from the PnR a game himself
5) is arguably the heart of the team

Gets back they arent going to be about shyt.

Hell even the most decent backup center they lucked up on is injured. All problems stem from that. Don't get me wrong the stuff you said is real and will rear its head in the playoffs. But bruh in the right now its the fact the knicks don't have a legit center. Even barg is looking like an 15 minute a game back up out there which might be nice but he doesn't provide the team necessities Tyson does.

Like I know when it comes to the league its all about stats but getting mad some players aren't developing in pointless. The knicks arent about that. I mean do they even have a development coach that isn't just some lackey for the current HC or Herb "I'm a company man" Williams?

 

[K-ZOE]

No but when you look at the problems on this team, Shumpert is at the bottom of that totem pole

Wherever he's ranked on the totem pole doesn't mean the fact that he sucks on offense isn't a huge problem. He's not stopping anybody AND his mistakes on defense are costing the team games. Before fouling Paul George at the end of regulation, he had 2 open court opportunities that he let get chased down and blocked because he's shook. The 1 he let PG run down should've been an easy dunk. He makes that play, his bonehead foul at the end of the game isn't as bad because it's a 2 possession game. Is he the main problem? No. Is he a problem? Yes. But I was 1 of the people hoping he'd be a "Problem" for us this year in a good way. I see he's not that dude. Oh well. Flip him while you can in my book before he's Ronnie Brewer 2.0 status around the league. As far as what's totally wrong with the Knicks, I saw this on Realgm and I think it's dead on: