The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Cadillac]

@gator_king

The most bewildering thing about all of this is, y'all are doing all this for Jason Kidd. This isn't MJ, Bird, Cap etc that are the pillars on which historical offensive play stands upon. This is a muh'fukka who couldn't score in the half-court to save his life, and yet somehow, because y'all don't want to let go of the past, this tone-deaf agenda to protect him has turned him into a sacred cow.

I don't have enough fingers to count how many players in today's game who've eclipsed the highest level that Kidd ever played at.

Out of all people

fukkin Jason kidd is who they protect

Its weird as fukk. This site is crazy

 

[OG Talk]

Out of all people

fukkin Jason kidd is who they protect

Its weird as fukk. This site is crazy

Out of all the people. Kyle Lowry is who you gas?

Weird as fukk.

 

[Cadillac]

Out of all the people. Kyle Lowry is who you gas?

Weird as fukk.

A guy who can actually score in the half court and his comparison is someone who can't?

Yes I would take the former over the latter.

and its not even really gassing kyle. Its just the obvious that Someone like Kidd has a peak that is not untouchable as some of yall hype or think.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

So would you say that he’s been the MVP of the Rico Hines Invitational?

Or is it not that anymore?

Who said that it was?



I made a thread outlaying the spectrum of posters' beliefs over these playoff conditions.

But regardless of that, Lowry has hit more clutch shots than any other player over the last five years, in the playoffs.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Out of all the people. Kyle Lowry is who you gas?

Weird as fukk.

How does this even make sense?

It's not like folks are trying to hype Lowry up to be some historically all-time great player. The entire argument is based around him playing at a greater level than Jason Kidd. That bar isn't exactly set high, yet y'all cornballs act like Kidd is some sacred cow whose play can't possibly be eclipsed. This is the same dude that went scoreless in 10+ consecutive Playoff games.

Let me say that again: Kidd went scoreless in 10+ straight Playoff games. That's ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points etc in the Playoffs, all in a row.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

That's what I thought, @gator_king.

 

[OG Talk]

Who said that it was?



I made a thread outlaying the spectrum of posters' beliefs over these playoff conditions.

.

Yall wanna see a dead body?

The conventional basketball-truths:

Depth of perception - due to the lack of background visual noise, there's a greater focus of light on the court, rim and net, which gives players a more distinct demarcation when lining up their shots. We've heard players already speak on this:
Travel - the factor of fatigue is less in play.
Crowd - the factor of fan pressure and distraction isn't in play; this is particularly relevant during closing possessions and free-throws.
Homecourt advantage - the factor of altitude, familiarity with court makeup, and bounce-factor of rims is all at a net of zero.
More perceptual space/less mental intrusion - since there are no fans directly courtside or player benches, players have more comfortability when navigating and shooting near the sidelines.

It's important to acknowledge that these factors exist, and aid in player performance,

I guess the counter-argument is: are we really witnessing how good everyone is without those additional pressures, when those pressures are the very fabric of NBA play and are historically relevant? After all, those pressures affect player performance and ultimately the result.

But fan pressure doesn't have to be away.
Playoff atmosphere includes weight of expectation of performing in front of your own fans. I don't think there's any overstating it. There simply isn't the same pressure to perform when there isn't any fans/crowd - either home or away. It's up to you to then decide if that matters in the result.

Raptors improved from 37% to 43% (on greater volume)

Some of this can be explained by variance and teams' overall shooting improving from last season, but a large portion of it has to do with the Bubble conditions.

The bolded is your words. Not "other posters beliefs"

Now you wanna argue apples to apples , when you're on record that this is an apples to oranges discussion?



Low character posting. Shameful shyt really.

And the wild part is I really do enjoy watching Lowry play (just not for the low IQ reasons you do)

But now I'm making it a personal holiday every time his fat ass gets bounced from the playoffs.



Oh yeah. Enjoy watching Rondo contribute valuable minutes to another deep playoff run

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yall wanna see a dead body?

The bolded is your words. Not "other posters beliefs"

Now

Look at this fukk nikka taking my posts out of context. I never said it's a Rico Hines Invitational environment or even insulated as such - I simply said that these current conditions aid in player performance - it's important to acknowledge that, but they all count just the same. Posters on this board were saying that these games don't count, and were trying to completely devalue players' performances.



HE EVEN BLATANTLY WENT AND DELETED CONTENT FROM MY POSTS.

There's been a lot of discussion around the legitimacy of this bubble setting and whether or not if it's the real deal.

The conventional basketball-truths:

1. Depth of perception - due to the lack of background visual noise, there's a greater focus of light on the court, rim and net, which gives players a more distinct demarcation when lining up their shots. We've heard players already speak on this:
   
2. Travel - the factor of fatigue is less in play.
3. Crowd - the factor of fan pressure and distraction isn't in play; this is particularly relevant during closing possessions and free-throws.
4. Homecourt advantage - the factor of altitude, familiarity with court makeup, and bounce-factor of rims is all at a net of zero.
5. More perceptual space/less mental intrusion - since there are no fans directly courtside or player benches, players have more comfortability when navigating and shooting near the sidelines.

It's important to acknowledge that these factors exist, and aid in player performance, but at the same time, they all count just the same, even if the conditions/environment aren't identical to seasons of the past.

This bytch ass nikka DELETED the bold trying to catch me out.

How shameful and embarrassing do you have to be to pull this shyt.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This bytch ass nikka @gator_king deleted content from my posts trying to pull receipts on me.

 

[Cadillac]

How does this even make sense?

It's not like folks are trying to hype Lowry up to be some historically all-time great player. The entire argument is based around him playing at a greater level than Jason Kidd. That bar isn't exactly set high, yet y'all cornballs act like Kidd is some sacred cow whose play can't possibly be eclipsed. This is the same dude that went scoreless in 10+ consecutive Playoff games.

Let me say that again: Kidd went scoreless in 10+ straight Playoff games. That's ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points etc in the Playoffs, all in a row.

im really interested to see who is gonna try to refute this.

its funny how people pick at Lowry's shortcomings but something like this is just looked over.

hardly anyone is gonna have a good rebuttal for anything past "he led his team to the finals" Lol

 

[Left.A1]

Yall wanna see a dead body?












The bolded is your words. Not "other posters beliefs"

Now you wanna argue apples to apples , when you're on record that this is an apples to oranges discussion?



Low character posting. Shameful shyt really.

And the wild part is I really do enjoy watching Lowry play (just not for the low IQ reasons you do)

But now I'm making it a personal holiday every time his fat ass gets bounced from the playoffs.



Oh yeah. Enjoy watching Rondo contribute valuable minutes to another deep playoff run

 

[Cereal_Bowl_Assassin]

How does this even make sense?

It's not like folks are trying to hype Lowry up to be some historically all-time great player. The entire argument is based around him playing at a greater level than Jason Kidd. That bar isn't exactly set high, yet y'all cornballs act like Kidd is some sacred cow whose play can't possibly be eclipsed. This is the same dude that went scoreless in 10+ consecutive Playoff games.

Let me say that again: Kidd went scoreless in 10+ straight Playoff games. That's ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points, ZERO points etc in the Playoffs, all in a row.

im really interested to see who is gonna try to refute this.

its funny how people pick at Lowry's shortcomings but something like this is just looked over.

hardly anyone is gonna have a good rebuttal for anything past "he led his team to the finals" Lol

@Gil Scott-Heroin I noticed you came back from your ducking hiatus but I decided to let you live for a bit. How can you or anyone as a nba fan bring this foolish stat up when jkidd was obviously washed and retired the same year. You are bringing up NYK JKidd as your proof. Have you no shame


Edit now @Gil Scott-Heroin wants to neg cause I called out his nonsense lol

Disgusting antics, can't even take you seriously anymore

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

@Gil Scott-Heroin I noticed you came back from your ducking hiatus but I decided to let you live for a bit. How can you or anyone as a nba fan bring this foolish stat up when jkidd was obviously washed and retired the same year. You are bringing up NYK JKidd as your proof. Have you no shame

Bu-bu-bu-but context matters now.

Folks are blatantly taking Lowry's stats out of context, and even cherry-picking games of his that somehow downplay what he's proven prior, yet the moment I start fighting fire with fire, you come with this bullshyt about bu-bu-but that's when he was on the Knicks.

Shameless bullshyt.

 

[Cereal_Bowl_Assassin]

Bu-bu-bu-but context matters now.

Folks are blatantly taking Lowry's stats out of context, and even cherry-picking games of his that somehow downplay what he's proven prior, yet the moment I start fighting fire with fire, you come with this bullshyt about bu-bu-but that's when he was on the Knicks.

Shameless bullshyt.

Disgusting

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Disgusting

I responded with facts and you can't say shyt.

FACT: Kidd went scoreless in 10-straight Playoff games



You're only mad because the cats that initially shytted on Lowry in this argument were manipulating every single piece of data and information that they could to paint Kidd in a better light. Where were you then? Oh, that's right, you were right there with them posting the same dishonest bullshyt.