The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Damnshow]

The 2004 pistons were a lot better than the 2003 one tho. rasheed was a top 5 PF they got for giving away nothing, billups and tayshawn prince proved, and Larry Brown knew how to coach that team better than rick could.

sure it wasnt the same team like in 04 but I just gave an example of a pretty respectable team that got swept by kidd showing that he did face some good competition as well. That pistons team was a number one seed that year which shows that kidd beat a stronger team

 

[ManBearPig]

There is no question that a declining CP3, westbrook, Curry, Wall, Thomas, and Damian are better than lowey.

So all those nikkaz are better than prime Kidd too?

Maybe curry and Westbrook.

 

[Box Factory]

you can't just say oh todays league has changed and kidd is not as valuable as he was, it's not a good comparision because you are comparing different eras. With this comparision you are basically giving extra points to todays league players when each era had their own styles.

kidd got swept by shaq and kobe I mean seriously look at the roster kidd had...he was facing prime shaq, kobe and timmy in those two years, we are talking about 3 of the top 10 players ever.

the main point is that kidd took his team to the finals, twice, which is a good accomplishment. It has nothing to do with east being poor like you said, because kidds team was poor too. Him winning competitive series and taking his team to the finals twice shows how great of a leader he actually was. It's a simple logic.

You're making my point for me. Reaching the finals and getting blown out in a year your conference was terrible isn't some great achievement.

 

[Big Dick]

The 2004 pistons were a lot better than the 2003 one tho. rasheed was a top 5 PF they got for giving away nothing, billups and tayshawn prince improved...prince was a rookie in 2003 averaging 3ppg and Larry Brown knew how to coach that team better than rick could.


Not saying u were wrong but the 2003 pistons werent that good even tho they had 4 outta 5 starters from that Championship Pistons team.


But would lowrey beat that team if you were to replace him with Jason Kidd? No

The Nets almost beat them in 04 too, if Kidds knee wasn't shot they would have beat them. Gave the pistons all they could handle and if I'm not mistaken we're the team that played then the hardest in that postseason

 

[Bledswole]

Norman Powell and Cory Joseph guarded Thomas pretty much the whole game and all of the fourth

Bledsoe killed Lowry tho

 

[Dwight Howard]

 

[Damnshow]

You're making my point for me. Reaching the finals and getting blown out in a year your conference was terrible isn't some great achievement.

How am I making your point? Kidd played against the teams in east that were on the same level as nets, and he beat them, no choking or anything. He maximized the potential of nets team, they were never in the same class as lakers or spurs but that doesn't make his accomplishment worse. He faced competition in the east and he won it. It is an accomplishment. With your argument you are basically saying if your supporting cast is trash then your accomplishments get penalty points.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Kidd did that in arguably the woat conferences ever. The east was horrendously bad those years

OH you mean the same argument that is redundant when talking about Kobe vs Lebron.



Ohhhhh okay.

 

[Donald Trumps Twitter]

Some of y'all on this board need to stop talking about basketball.

Yeah fam, you.


You the dumbest try-hard on this board.



Kyle Lowry better than JKidd
Bro go get your ass laughed out of a barbershop

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

It's two dudes in here going so hard about Lowry being better when they KNOW they're wrong because everyone sees as ridiculous the claims are.

I. There's more than TWO dudes who believe Lowry is better (at his peak)
II. Don't pretend to know my motives as to why I'm "going so hard" in here. For starters, I argue like this on the regular - no matter the topic or how "ridiculous" the claims might appear to others.
II. I'm uppin this thread to remind folk how ignorant and close-minded they are and to see if anyone is willing to break their [flawed] belief system.

I
As good as Lowry has been this year and last, at his absolute peak right now, he's still not on Kidd's level as a complete point guard.

Explain further.

Are we forgetting that Jason Kidd made millions of dollars for Keith Van Horn, Kenyon Martin, Kerry Kittles?.

Not only is this wrong, but it has little to no relevance to the discussion.

Had fukking Todd MacCulloch as his staring center looking decent and dude never played again once he left the Nets.

Again, not only is this wrong (he played in Philly before and after his one season in NJ) but it has little to no relevance to the discussion.

Brought out the best in a young Richard Jefferson who was his second option. He brought THESE nikkas to the NBA finals, twice.

It would be laughable to think Kyle Lowry would be able to do the same with those players or current NBA players with their level of talent.

Explain how it would be laughable when Lowry has more overall impact than Kidd does?

Kidd was that good and he got robbed out of at least one MVP. He was a leader and damn near a coach on the floor and knew how to bring out the best in the players around him.

I. Kidd didn't get robbed out of at least one MVP and that's irrelevant due to the fact you place Kidd in the league today and he wouldn't even be mentioned in the conversation. You place Lowry with those Nets squads in the early 00s and they'd be a better team - especially on offense.
II. The ole tired "he brings out the best in the players around him" cover-up-for-his-flaws platitude
III. What tangible relevant evidence can you relay that suggests this is as laughable as you're making it out to be?

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

There is no question that a declining CP3, westbrook, Curry, Wall, Thomas, and Damian are better than lowey.

So all those nikkaz are better than prime Kidd too?

Maybe curry and Westbrook.

First of all, not all those players are defintively better than Lowry. Second of all, there's probably 10-20 PGs who have a higher peak than Kidd, but not all of them rank ahead of him on an all-time list. Thirdly, there's no "maybe" about Curry and Westbrook being better - they are better - by a country mile. The fact that you think that is even questionable tells me you should be staying out of this discussion altogether.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Yeah fam, you.


You the dumbest try-hard on this board.



Kyle Lowry better than JKidd
Bro go get your ass laughed out of a barbershop

The fact you're using barbershop talk as a means for truth or objectiviety tells me all I need to know about you.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Plenty of people here tried to criticize Curry for that year despite his historic season and winning the championship.

No one is saying Kidd sucks but he got swept in the finals and had a 2-8 record in the finals. The Curry comparison is dumb.

The League has changed and guys who can't shoot and just distribute like Kidd did aren't as valuable. Lowrys been insane for the last few seasons and no one wants to admit it because they don't watch the Raptors regularly

At the end of the day this is what it comes down to. Muh'fukkas not watching the Raptors play on a regular basis. And they have the nerve to speak as if their opinion is gospel.

 

[AITheAnswerAI]

At the end of the day this is what it comes down to. Muh'fukkas not watching the Raptors play on a regular basis. And they have the nerve to speak as if their opinion is gospel.

Isaiah Thomas>> Lowry

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Isaiah Thomas>> Lowry

This is a more difficult one. It can go either way to be honest. I think the only area where I.T2 is definitvely better, is closing out games/in the 4th. Otherwise, they're near-equal in other areas or Lowry has the advantage.