The Coli Where we rank Kyle Lowry over Jason Kidd.. Scust @malta

[Mars]

Didn't mean to call you an idiot @ Miami316

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

This will never go away

Especially after what just happened

I don't know what you're laughing at, whatever you think of Lowry, he still knocked Wall out of the playoffs.

That’s true they pulled out one series from a HOF pg though. When Lowry has been doing this bum shyt his whole career. I guarantee I can find a series of most players that go to the playoffs every year of their career like this..

Kidd's postseason career - 12.9 ppg on 49.8 TS% (11.7 shots per game)
Lowry's postseason career - 15.3 ppg on 53.6 TS% (11.8 shots per game)

Whatever "bum shyt" you think Lowry did over his whole career (despite their careers being irrelevant in this argument), Kidd was worse - much, much, worse.

That defense was goat tho. My nikka ain’t score a point that game 7 him bringing them that far is a testament to his leadership is skill. Team was terrible and was only gonna as far as he took them. Nobody could score off the dribble.

This post is the very definition of

shoot 2-7 in elimination game brehs

even a "non scoring" pg kidd woulda hit a few more shots

Like he did in these games?

New Jersey Nets at Detroit Pistons Box Score, May 20, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Game 7 - Kidd, 0-8 field goals, 0 points.
Phoenix Suns at Seattle SuperSonics Box Score, April 27, 1997 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 0-7 field goals, 2 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Phoenix Suns at Los Angeles Lakers Box Score, May 7, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
San Antonio Spurs at Dallas Mavericks Box Score, April 23, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-3 field goals, 4 points
Dallas Mavericks at Denver Nuggets Box Score, May 5, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 4 points
Los Angeles Lakers at Phoenix Suns Box Score, May 12, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-9 field goals, 4 points
Cleveland Cavaliers at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 14, 2007 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-13 field goals, 5 points
Detroit Pistons at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 9, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-14 field goals, 5 points

yall gassing these scoring pg's so much, kyle lowry has absolutely no leadership capabilities. No fukking leader gets swept two years in a row by the same team all this deep bench but this mcdonalds eating goofy ass muthafukka still doing same shyt for the 5th year in a row

First of all, Lowry only played half a series against the Cavs last postseason after getting injured (but of course your agenda won't allow you to acknowledge that), second of all, he took two games off LeBron in the 2016 playoffs, including TWO 35-pt performances:




Thirdly, Kidd was swept multiple times in his career against WORSE teams. You want to talk about leadership capabilities? Let's talk about Kidd quitting on nearly every single team he was a part of during his playing career, let's talk about Kidd underperforming on purpose to get his coaches fired, let's talk about Kidd tanking games, let's talk about Kidd lying/faking injury to get out of playing games.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Why would you idiots post J.Kidd's numbers from the 2004 series against Detroit without mentioning that he was playing on a knee that needed surgery?

BASEBALL; Kidd Has Knee Surgery While Martin Receives Calls



Kidd was playing hurt during the playoffs.


How come you haters never point out that in 2003,Jason Kidd's Nets sweeped the #1 seed Pistons



During J.Kidd's run with the Nets,he never lost a series where his team was the favorite....Kyle Lowry just got sweeped in the 2nd rd as the #1 seed.

The same reason that "idiots" post Lowry's numbers without mentioning he played with injuries nearly every single postseason. Don't bring that bullshyt in here, when nobody was ever concerned about context when shytting on Lowry.



See:

How the fukk do you acknowledge that he's protecting his future/money, but then criticize him because Kidd played through injuries, as if that automatically makes him the better player (Kidd would have done the exact same thing under the same circumstances)? Futhermore, I don't wanna hear this nonsense about Kidd playing through injuries, as if Lowry hasn't played through injuries for the last 3-4 postseasons:

2015 postseason - Windhorst: Injuries taking toll on Lowry, Kyle Lowry’s health questioned amid Raptors’ playoff struggles - he injuried his back and missed nine games near the end of the regular season, he also was dealing with a shin contusion, infected hand and hamstring issues:



2016 postseason -

He fukked up his elbow near the end of the regular season, and was dealing with pain all throughout the postseason (plus had to have his elbow drained multiple times), while trying to work around it to change his shooting form. Prior to his elbow injury he averaged 22 ppg on 45% FG/60 TS% over nearly 70 games. Kidd never at any point of his career displayed that type of offensive production - he never even came remotely close. When Lowry returned - he ended up shooting 32% and averaging 16 ppg, just because of how much he struggled with that elbow injury. He still persevered throughout the entire postseason, and was the main reason the Raptors went all the way to the ECF and took the Cavs to six games. Not to mention he had multiple 30+ point games in the playoffs:







And this is all with him adjusting his form and dealing with the pain of that injury.

2017 postseason - Kyle Lowry to have wrist surgery, likely gone until playoffs - he broke his wrist (the same one he did 10 years earlier) and didn't return until the end of the season. The funny thing is, he had had been playing with it injured for most of the season until he injured it to the point where he couldn't even move his wrist when he woke up the next morning.

Once again, he displayed an offensive skillset and produced at a higher level than Kidd ever showed at any point of his career prior to that injury - 23 ppg on 46% FG/62% TS, while taking EIGHT 3-pointers a game and hitting them at 42% - he was a top-3 3-pt shooter before his injury. This dude was up there with the best scorers in the game, with a shooting efficiency that wasn't too far away from Steph Curry's historic season.

Yes Kidd did play with an injuried knee during the '04 playoffs, but why does he get a pass for averaging 10 ppg on 28% shooting in a series (going scoreless and 0-8 in a Game 7), and yet Lowry gets criticized for his 'poor' performances in the postseason when he's dealing with his injuries? All the while being more productive and more of a threat than Kidd was in the postseason - Lowry averages more points on better efficiency in the postseason.

Why is there one rule for one player, and another for the other? Could it be perhaps because y'all NEVER actually watched Kidd during his prime? Stop looking out through those rose-colored glasses and start dealing with reality.

The fact you either 1.) don't want to acknowledge there's instances where Lowry has played with injuries through multiple postseasons or 2.) you're not aware of those instances where he was dealing with injuries, let's me know you shouldn't be discussing this shyt.

@DonKnock @Illeye buckmatic @BlackAchilles @smitty22 @Rigby. @hayesc0 @Tunez y'all can get educated on this too.

 

[Mars]

People keep pointing out stats...What about leadership?...what about making your teammates better?...what about on-court intangibles?.......There's not one NBA player,GM,or Owner who would take Lowry over Kidd.

If it's just about scoring points.Then R.Westbrook is better than Stockton,I.Thomas,Magic,etc...

 

[Bigblackted4]

I don't know what you're laughing at, whatever you think of Lowry, he still knocked Wall out of the playoffs.




Kidd's postseason career - 12.9 ppg on 49.8 TS% (11.7 shots per game)
Lowry's postseason career - 15.3 ppg on 53.6 TS% (11.8 shots per game)

Whatever "bum shyt" you think Lowry did over his whole career (despite their careers being irrelevant in this argument), Kidd was worse - much, much, worse.

This post is the very definition of

Like he did in these games?

New Jersey Nets at Detroit Pistons Box Score, May 20, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Game 7 - Kidd, 0-8 field goals, 0 points.
Phoenix Suns at Seattle SuperSonics Box Score, April 27, 1997 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 0-7 field goals, 2 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Phoenix Suns at Los Angeles Lakers Box Score, May 7, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
San Antonio Spurs at Dallas Mavericks Box Score, April 23, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-3 field goals, 4 points
Dallas Mavericks at Denver Nuggets Box Score, May 5, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 4 points
Los Angeles Lakers at Phoenix Suns Box Score, May 12, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-9 field goals, 4 points
Cleveland Cavaliers at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 14, 2007 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-13 field goals, 5 points
Detroit Pistons at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 9, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-14 field goals, 5 points

First of all, Lowry only played half a series against the Cavs last postseason after getting injured (but of course your agenda won't allow you to acknowledge that), second of all, he took two games off LeBron in the 2016 playoffs, including TWO 35-pt performances:




Thirdly, Kidd was swept multiple times in his career against WORSE teams. You want to talk about leadership capabilities? Let's talk about Kidd quitting on nearly every single team he was a part of during his playing career, let's talk about Kidd underperforming on purpose to get his coaches fired, let's talk about Kidd tanking games, let's talk about Kidd lying/faking injury to get out of playing games.

Mislead the people, knowing Kidd played a lot of playoff games well past his prime, also you want to add assist, rebounds. Or what about plus minus offense rating and defensive rating. We don’t rate players off scoring but if the scoring numbers are that close with Lowry playing in a better pace, much wide open league then I guess he’s scored better. By the way compared to their counterparts Lowry below average, Kidd comparable especially in his prime.

 

[Bledswole]

I don't know what you're laughing at, whatever you think of Lowry, he still knocked Wall out of the playoffs.




Kidd's postseason career - 12.9 ppg on 49.8 TS% (11.7 shots per game)
Lowry's postseason career - 15.3 ppg on 53.6 TS% (11.8 shots per game)

Whatever "bum shyt" you think Lowry did over his whole career (despite their careers being irrelevant in this argument), Kidd was worse - much, much, worse.

This post is the very definition of

Like he did in these games?

New Jersey Nets at Detroit Pistons Box Score, May 20, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Game 7 - Kidd, 0-8 field goals, 0 points.
Phoenix Suns at Seattle SuperSonics Box Score, April 27, 1997 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 0-7 field goals, 2 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Phoenix Suns at Los Angeles Lakers Box Score, May 7, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
San Antonio Spurs at Dallas Mavericks Box Score, April 23, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-3 field goals, 4 points
Dallas Mavericks at Denver Nuggets Box Score, May 5, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 4 points
Los Angeles Lakers at Phoenix Suns Box Score, May 12, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-9 field goals, 4 points
Cleveland Cavaliers at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 14, 2007 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-13 field goals, 5 points
Detroit Pistons at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 9, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-14 field goals, 5 points

First of all, Lowry only played half a series against the Cavs last postseason after getting injured (but of course your agenda won't allow you to acknowledge that), second of all, he took two games off LeBron in the 2016 playoffs, including TWO 35-pt performances:




Thirdly, Kidd was swept multiple times in his career against WORSE teams. You want to talk about leadership capabilities? Let's talk about Kidd quitting on nearly every single team he was a part of during his playing career, let's talk about Kidd underperforming on purpose to get his coaches fired, let's talk about Kidd tanking games, let's talk about Kidd lying/faking injury to get out of playing games.

Wall>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Lowry&Derozan

 

[blackzeus]

The Coli thinks Lebron James is better than Kobe, with less rings and playing the East his whole career with more help. The Coli thinks pretending verses on a hit single is a freestyle is real hiphop. Coli thinks Pac was a b*tch even though he shot at cops, refused to be extorted and got at real murderers. Can't take the opinion of most of these nikkaz serious breh. Just f*ck with the real ones and keep it moving

 

[Mars]

New Jersey Nets at Detroit Pistons Box Score, May 20, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Game 7 - Kidd, 0-8 field goals, 0 points.
Phoenix Suns at Seattle SuperSonics Box Score, April 27, 1997 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 0-7 field goals, 2 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Phoenix Suns at Los Angeles Lakers Box Score, May 7, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
San Antonio Spurs at Dallas Mavericks Box Score, April 23, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 3 points
Dallas Mavericks at San Antonio Spurs Box Score, April 18, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-3 field goals, 4 points
Dallas Mavericks at Denver Nuggets Box Score, May 5, 2009 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-6 field goals, 4 points
Los Angeles Lakers at Phoenix Suns Box Score, May 12, 2000 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 1-9 field goals, 4 points
Cleveland Cavaliers at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 14, 2007 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-13 field goals, 5 points
Detroit Pistons at New Jersey Nets Box Score, May 9, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Kidd, 2-14 field goals, 5 points

Despite Kidd's poor shooting in these 10 playoffs games,he still had a 4/1 asst/to ratio(76 asst/19 TO)....and his teams won 4 of the 10 games.

 

[KRiLL (+)]

New Jersey Nets at Detroit Pistons Box Score, May 20, 2004 | Basketball-Reference.com: Game 7 - Kidd, 0-8, 0 points. Yes, that's right, he had ZERO points.

let's add some context to this...

you must not have been watching the games back in the day... one of these new nikkas only watching the numbers like a dweeb i see... pathetic

Why would you idiots post J.Kidd's numbers from the 2004 series against Detroit without mentioning that he was playing on a knee that needed surgery?

BASEBALL; Kidd Has Knee Surgery While Martin Receives Calls



Kidd was playing hurt during the playoffs.


How come you haters never point out that in 2003,Jason Kidd's Nets sweeped the #1 seed Pistons



During J.Kidd's run with the Nets,he never lost a series where his team was the favorite....Kyle Lowry just got sweeped in the 2nd rd as the #1 seed.

 

[MikelArteta]

 

[Kami]

Man the raptors right now would be better would rondo over Lowry and rondo isn’t the player kid is. This thread is disgusting

Smh.

 

[Gil Scott-Heroin]

Sometimes you gotta concede the point, gil.

 

[lamont614]

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[Inertia Creeps]

Maybe the WOAT take on the entirety of this website, and that's really saying something. This clown is closer to Warren Kidd than he is Jason Kidd; he owes eternal thanks to Kawhi if he ever ends up sniffing a finals appearance cause he certainly isn't ever leading a team there on his own

 

[GoddamnyamanProf]

Lowry now bringing his WOAT playoff stylings to the regular season