The DNA hate seems like stubborness. He's a couple years in to a complete style switch that makes him at least as decent as the mid tiers on a good day.
not much of a compliment lol
not much of a compliment lol
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Which was very impressive. He completely revamped his entire style to maintain his relevance in battle rap.
He no doubt worked his ass off and became the man. But something about the other names is different to me. Each of those dudes caused battle-rap wide waves/influences/changes. Arsonal with the preparation and the disrespect that seemed to start showing up one way or another everywhere else. DNA with making sure we were never without a matchup, and never without three rounds, some freestyles, catering to the fans (especially casual fans), versatility with the 2v2s, different leagues, etc. Hollow kind of similar to Lux and Diz in creating that hunger to take down the king (funny though, Hollow's resume has some big ass spaces in it).
It probably sounds like I just don't like Roc, but I really do see something a little different for the other names. They ran their custom thread through battle rap and affected every league. Not to say Roc wouldn't be in the next adjacent category down. And if he shows up and ignorant bars Hollow to death and wins no debate, he may well jump up.
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Mt. Rushmore imo is a very exclusive list where Wins & Losses definitely matter a lot more than HOF..
Mt. Rushmore = Legacy, highlights, impact, longevity, Wins, L's,
Hall of Fame = Longevity, impact, highlights,
So with that said
Mt. Rushmore = Jay, Nas, Big, Pac / Lux, Mook, Hollow
Hall of Fame = LL, Rakim, etc / Verb, Ars,
Imo
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The fukking irony
JuvenileHell
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DNA could never replace Verb on Mt. Rushmore.
DNA is a legend but Verb means more to the game than DNA does and has done more for the game too with more impact. DNA is more hall of fame first ticket than Mt. Rushmore.
Rex
Verb
Lux
Mook
Are immutable when it comes to Mt. Rushmore
The battle rap HOF is more like the NBA HOF. Everyone eventually gets in. IMO Mook and Lux can't even be on Rushmore until they battle on the current circuit frequently like Verb and Rex did. They're hiding behind their names and not taking names (Mook more so than Lux but both are currently ducking people.)
Mook
Lux
Rex
Hollow
Verb hasn't done enough. Getting bodied on the big stage doesn't get you on Mt Rushmore. I think Hitman and Magic >
How did Verb keep battle rap alive?
JuvenileHell
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Battle rap Mt. Rushmore is more about legacy than wins/losses, like the real Mt. Rushmore.
Its more about contributions to the game as a whole.
So going with your example the hip hop mt. Rushmore would be Kool Herc, Grandmaster Caz, Rakim, Dr. Dre. Those are 4 of the most influential figures in Hip Hop.
Nas, Jay, Pac etc are more Hall of Famers. Some of the best the genre has ever seen and legends in their own right.
Folks confuse hall of fame with mt. Rushmore a lot. Hall of fame = cream of the crop. Mt. Rushmore = essential part of the foundation and massive game changers.
JuvenileHell
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Midwest Movement
Right, and he got booed at Summer Madness and 30'd multiple times on the big stage. Don't talk about the Midwest Movement when he wasn't the one winning the battles Hitman and Magic were.
His highlight was against Hitman. How are you going to lead the Midwest Movement, lose to NY when it mattered most, and beat your brother from the Midwest?
Hollow was top tier in two leagues and helped push Grind Time before Smack took off. He deserves the spot over Verb.
ReasonableMatic
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First off, I can't believe I'm actually 'sorta' debating Verb's spot in Mt. Rushmore since Verb was one of my favorites in the golden era behind Lux.
I'll never argue Verb being more important to the game than most nikkas in the game ESPECIALLY with Mr Spam aka DNA
But regardless to whom you put in Mt Rushmore.
AT WHAT POINT DO WE HOLD BATTLERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LOSSES?
I personally value Wins & Losses a lot.
I've said this before, during the golden era nikkas couldn't come outside for months when they lost.
So me seeing Verb take clear losses and getting bodied for 3 years straight makes me look at his legacy different.
It woulda been different if he retired a year after his battle with K Shine.
But 3 years of clear losses?! I can't let that slide man..
Cause consistency has to be valued accordingly
Like how you got Jay Z who has been consistently top3 of the year for almost 20 years.
Compared to nikkas like DMX, 50, etc who were the hottest and fell off and dropped duds after their peak.
His consistency is another critical part of how he got in Mt. Rushmore on top of his accolades
I'll always commend a nikka like Roc because he literally came from the mud and is still doing his thing years later without taking ugly losses. This helps his legacy later down the line were it hurts Verb looking back at his legacy.
He's way higher on my list of battlers compared to Surf if I look at the L's in their careers
Even tho he's Surf "lil nikka" he's over him clearly imo
It's not just your peak imo
Yes, Verb lead the MidWest movement but he got 30'd a lotta times over his career. On big stages too.
Let's not forget the MidWest movement wasn't just Verb.
Yung Ill was that nikka back then
Hitman was the one that bodied Ars at the height of the NY/NJ vs STL beef
Verb was the one that lost and got booed. Not sayin he was wack but it happened.
It was B Magic that was runnin through nikkas including Clips at his peak and didn't get rewarded accordingly for it by URL. He was the people's champ tho..
The MidWest movement wasn't just Verb.. He was just the best one when we got introduced to them in the beginning
Hollow is clearly over Verb.
He was THAT nikka in 2 leagues and critical in GrindTime's place in battlerap
His skillset is arguably the most well rounded EVER.
He's battled the best before they fell off.
He lost to Verb, but he battled him in his prime, at home, and did his thing.
He always had his career in mind when picking battles.
He battled Lux when NOBODY wanted that smoke after the Cal battle.
Shyt like that matters.
He conducts himself like a boss. While Verb is out here getting bodied at D-leagues tryna money grab
It's a difference between nikkas like Hollow and Verb
LETS TALK ABOUT LUX DUCKING JC VERB AND DAYLYT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.
LET'S TALK ABOUT MOOK DUCKING SURF AND DIZ.
Give us more of a backstory to make that determination.
We all know battle rap is not Mook or Lux's priority. Therefore, give us clear examples where JC, Verb, and Daylyt brought in a sponsor or proposed a plan to make the battle happen.
Give us examples where Diz and Surf came with a sponsor to make the Mook battle.
The reason Arsonal is battling Lux is because he had the funds to make the battle happen. Its as simple as that. It's not really complicated. You guys want to see Lux battle another pen guy, but someone has to spend money to make the battle happen. Lux is not gonna drop whatever the hell he is doing, just to prove to you he can beat someone with a pen, unless you can pay him.
Charlie had a sponsor in Harry, which is why he could get a Lux battle.
Mook/Lux still have that old school mentality where you used battling as a stepping stone for their music career. In this era, it is actually fine to be just a battle rapper.