Essential The Official Battle Rap Random Thoughts Thread (URL, KOTD, UW etc...)

[ReasonableMatic]

LETS TALK ABOUT LUX DUCKING JC VERB AND DAYLYT, LET'S TALK ABOUT THAT.

LET'S TALK ABOUT MOOK DUCKING SURF AND DIZ.

Daylyt was out there shyttin on stages, losing left and right, which he's still doing to this day
Verb never proposed a reasonable business plan to battle Lux
JC was watering down his brand by battling in garages every week

Lux was telling URL to do the PPV back then to make Lux vs Hollow happen, but they were stubborn.
Now years later URL is doin PPV
Yet "Lux was ducking these nikkas"

 

[theflyest]

If we are being realistic, I think the only guys that could get the money/sponsor/propose a plan to get a Lux battle are the following:

Arsonal (in which he landed the battle)
DNA
Dizaster
Maybe Todd
Danny Myers is a wild card. The type of nygga to give Lux 40k in cash and just ask for a handshake.

I could see him on a Boston Massacre Card if Nikiya really wanted to spend the money.

As far as Mook, the reason his price is higher because he doesn't want to battle at all. There is no desire there to even try to make a battle happen. It's all business to him. Lux likes to battle, but you gotta get his attention financially for him to drop what he's working on.

 

[Kidd Dibiase]

If Verb and Rex aren't on your Rushmore I don't value your battle rap opinion. They kept this shyt alive for 7 years. One year bad battles doesn't remove a HOF resume. FOH.

1 year??? Longer than that for both

 

[MicIsGod]

Verb fukkin sucks I just wanna say that loser ass nikka. Nvm fukk his Mount Rushmore spot give it to hollow. We can't have legit losers and nikkas that always have lackluster performances. He's worse than rex to me because his style isn't dated like rex. Verb could legit be a problem right now but he just chooses to be garbage.

 

[FreshAIG]

Daylyt was out there shyttin on stages, losing left and right, which he's still doing to this day
Verb never proposed a reasonable business plan to battle Lux
JC was watering down his brand by battling in garages every week

Lux was telling URL to do the PPV back then to make Lux vs Hollow happen, but they were stubborn.
Now years later URL is doin PPV
Yet "Lux was ducking these nikkas"

Nah the VH1 thing was signed sealed and delivered. The gave Lux 50 K but he wanted more and wouldn't sign the contract. I know people involved in that. He lowkey ducked that fade and Lux is the GOAT to me bar none

 

[FreshAIG]

My Mount Rushmore:

Lux
Mook
Rex
Verb

Only possible change is Ars instead of Verb

 

[Ardamus]

I still like Verb and think he is one of the best writers in this shyt but he has been a cot damn let down for a while. Wins a few then has some bad losses. Can't deny his legacy but the shyt is painful to see him not win. His music...damn good and he should get more recognition for it. I don't want to do the Mt. Rushmore thing, I just wanted to say that.

 

[ReasonableMatic]

Nah the VH1 thing was signed sealed and delivered. The gave Lux 50 K but he wanted more and wouldn't sign the contract. I know people involved in that. He lowkey ducked that fade and Lux is the GOAT to me bar none

Lux definitely didn't duck Verb

50K for a battle ain't much if you know about buy-outs breh.

People simply hear 50K and think well "COTDAMN that's a lotta money, he ducked"

Instead of thinking about usage and researching portrait rights and the prices that come with buyouts.

If y'all knew what nikkas get to feature in a Coca Cola ad y'all would lose y'all minds. LMAO
Let alone a worldwide buyout

 

[Momentum]

We all know battle rap is not Mook or Lux's priority. Therefore, give us clear examples where JC, Verb, and Daylyt brought in a sponsor or proposed a plan to make the battle happen.

Daylyt, Verb, Surf, and Diz all had the money available. They were all told no for various reasons, but because battle rap wants to make these guys gods we don't attach the word ducking to their names.

 

[Momentum]

First off, I can't believe I'm actually 'sorta' debating Verb's spot in Mt. Rushmore since Verb was one of my favorites in the golden era behind Lux.

I'll never argue Verb being more important to the game than most nikkas in the game ESPECIALLY with Mr Spam aka DNA

But regardless to whom you put in Mt Rushmore.

AT WHAT POINT DO WE HOLD BATTLERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR LOSSES?

I personally value Wins & Losses a lot.
I've said this before, during the golden era nikkas couldn't come outside for months when they lost.

So me seeing Verb take clear losses and getting bodied for 3 years straight makes me look at his legacy different.
It woulda been different if he retired a year after his battle with K Shine.
But 3 years of clear losses?! I can't let that slide man..
Cause consistency has to be valued accordingly

Like how you got Jay Z who has been consistently top3 of the year for almost 20 years.
Compared to nikkas like DMX, 50, etc who were the hottest and fell off and dropped duds after their peak.

His consistency is another critical part of how he got in Mt. Rushmore on top of his accolades

I'll always commend a nikka like Roc because he literally came from the mud and is still doing his thing years later without taking ugly losses. This helps his legacy later down the line were it hurts Verb looking back at his legacy.
He's way higher on my list of battlers compared to Surf if I look at the L's in their careers
Even tho he's Surf "lil nikka" he's over him clearly imo

It's not just your peak imo

Yes, Verb lead the MidWest movement but he got 30'd a lotta times over his career. On big stages too.
Let's not forget the MidWest movement wasn't just Verb.
Yung Ill was that nikka back then
Hitman was the one that bodied Ars at the height of the NY/NJ vs STL beef
Verb was the one that lost and got booed. Not sayin he was wack but it happened.
It was B Magic that was runnin through nikkas including Clips at his peak and didn't get rewarded accordingly for it by URL. He was the people's champ tho..

The MidWest movement wasn't just Verb.. He was just the best one when we got introduced to them in the beginning

Hollow is clearly over Verb.
He was THAT nikka in 2 leagues and critical in GrindTime's place in battlerap
His skillset is arguably the most well rounded EVER.
He's battled the best before they fell off.
He lost to Verb, but he battled him in his prime, at home, and did his thing.
He always had his career in mind when picking battles.
He battled Lux when NOBODY wanted that smoke after the Cal battle.
Shyt like that matters.
He conducts himself like a boss. While Verb is out here getting bodied at D-leagues tryna money grab

It's a difference between nikkas like Hollow and Verb

Using this same argument Rex should be UNDEBATABLE on Rushmore because he never lost to STL. Ever!

 

[ReasonableMatic]

My Mt. Rushmore

• Lux
• Mook
• Hollow
• Interchangeable

 

[theflyest]

Nah the VH1 thing was signed sealed and delivered. The gave Lux 50 K but he wanted more and wouldn't sign the contract. I know people involved in that. He lowkey ducked that fade and Lux is the GOAT to me bar none

These are the type of examples I am looking for.

Gorilla Warfare also tried to make Lux/Verb, but Lux wouldn't commit.

Perhaps due to his experience with Total Slaughter, which was too Hollywood and resulted in an embarrassing lost, he wasn't interested in the VH1 deal, thus pricing himself out? Who knows

One could argue Lux ducked Verb on a couple of different occasions when the money was there.

JC & Daylyt? No

 

[Momentum]

Lux definitely didn't duck Verb

50K for a battle ain't much if you know about buy-outs breh.

People simply hear 50K and think well "COTDAMN that's a lotta money, he ducked"

Instead of thinking about usage and researching portrait rights and the prices that come with buyouts.

If y'all knew what nikkas get to feature in a Coca Cola ad y'all would lose y'all minds. LMAO
Let alone a worldwide buyout

Signed artists don't get $50k for nine minutes

Especially $50k from a rich battle rap fan, not a company on the stock market

Battle Truth isn't the smartest guy but he has some hustle knowledge and he broke it down how Mook fukked up an easy $1,000,000 run in this shyt. Someone else said it before these guys are still trying to use battles to get popping musically which is why they ducked the Holla/Surf/Clips/Verb etc. etc. era. Now that money isn't on the table (FilmON, Teddy Grizzly, Shady Records) and they are on the outside looking in.

Lux and Mook ducked an entire era and cost themselves hundreds of thousands of dollars if not a million each doing so. That speaks volumes. Even Cassidy took a battler in this era.

 

[Ronnie Lott]

Right, and he got booed at Summer Madness and 30'd multiple times on the big stage. Don't talk about the Midwest Movement when he wasn't the one winning the battles Hitman and Magic were.

His highlight was against Hitman. How are you going to lead the Midwest Movement, lose to NY when it mattered most, and beat your brother from the Midwest?

Hollow was top tier in two leagues and helped push Grind Time before Smack took off. He deserves the spot over Verb.

These are all facts. People also have a good case to keep Rex off the Mt Rushmore because of how many times that he's been killed coupled with the horrible performances he's put on the last 5 years

 

[Momentum]

These are all facts. People also have a good case to keep Rex off the Mt Rushmore because of how many times that he's been killed coupled with the horrible performances he's put on the last 5 years

Rex is like 35-5 career

He only lost clearly to Clips, Shine, Ice, and who else?