"They Don't Know Its Us, Not Like Were The Raiders" Official 2016 Oakland Raiders Off-Season Thread

[King Poetic]

When did this become official? I been out the loop for a minute

i requested 3rivers to do it

 

[Supreme]

i requested 3rivers to do it

It was much needed for us Raiders breh

and

sums up our organization perfectly​

 

[Chris Cool]

Megatron was part of an 0-16 team, and a 2-14 team.

Dez Bryant was drafted in 2010 after a 11-5 season that ended after a loss in the 2nd round of the playoffs. After the draft, the Cowboys have failed to reach the playoffs or even have a winning season up until last year.

Julio Jones has shown no real evidence of influencing the win/loss record. Prior to Julio, the Falcons were 13-3. In Julio's rookie year, they had a record of 10-6, followed by another 13-3 record. The following season Julio was injured and they dropped to 4-12, but the year after (last season), with Julio playing in 15 games, the falcons finished 6-10

Look at last year's rookie wr class (Watkins, ODB, Evans, Benjamin, Cooks, Landry, Matthews) for all the hype they received, only Watkins' team improved and most would say that was a result of an improved defense. Every other top rookie WR's team record was worse than the previous year except Matthews and Landry (both teams finished with the same record as the prior year).

I'll give you AJ Green. The Bengals went from 4-12 before Green and 9-7 plus a playoff appearance in Green's rookie year. They've been in the playoffs every year since he's been drafted. However, they brought in AJ Green and Dalton in the same year, so it's hard to determine who had the biggest hand in the success, but i'm willing to give Green the benefit of the doubt.

With all this being said, I can't find any evidence of a DT greatly affecting the win/loss column either, but I can't help to think of teams like the Seahawks, Patriots, Ravens, 49ers who were able to achieve success with no superstar wrs. If Leonard is there at 4 it would be a mistake to pass on him for a wr. Honestly, at this point, If Leonard is gone, I'd rather take a chance on another defensive player or trade back and grab a wr in the 2nd rd.

last in overall offense
26th in passing
last in rushing
last in yards per pass
2nd to last in points scored
last in 3rd down conversions
but it's stupid to draft a wide receiver? if that wasn't the teams biggest need, it just might be.
yaw nikkas even watch the games? or yaw just skim through them? let me refresh yaws memory.
L to jets 19-14.
L to Texans 30-14
L to pats 16-9
L Cardinals 24 -13
L to browns 23-14
L to seahawks 30-24
L to chargers 13-6
looks like the defense was doing they job, those is winnable games if they could put some points on the board. how Williams gonna help out with that? the defense had improved in the off season, has the offense?

you can't be serious at that teams with no standout wide receiver comparison. Raiders gotta Marshawn lynch? a frank gore? a Vernon Davis? a rob gronkowski? a tom Brady? a joe flacco? an anquan bolden? no, all raiders gotisa buncha question marks ans a young qb who desperately needs help. richardson is currently the biggest bust ever, murray was average outside of 2 games, Crabtree ain't been shyt since injury, rod streater coming off of injury, jones is meh, but offense is straight right. yaw dudes killing me.

 

[Supreme]

last in overall offense
26th in passing
last in rushing
last in yards per pass
2nd to last in points scored
last in 3rd down conversions
but it's stupid to draft a wide receiver? if that wasn't the teams biggest need, it just might be.
yaw nikkas even watch the games? or yaw just skim through them? let me refresh yaws memory.
L to jets 19-14.
L to Texans 30-14
L to pats 16-9
L Cardinals 24 -13
L to browns 23-14
L to seahawks 30-24
L to chargers 13-6
looks like the defense was doing they job, those is winnable games if they could put some points on the board. how Williams gonna help out with that? the defense had improved in the off season, has the offense?

you can't be serious at that teams with no standout wide receiver comparison. Raiders gotta Marshawn lynch? a frank gore? a Vernon Davis? a rob gronkowski? a tom Brady? a joe flacco? an anquan bolden? no, all raiders gotisa buncha question marks ans a young qb who desperately needs help. richardson is currently the biggest bust ever, murray was average outside of 2 games, Crabtree ain't been shyt since injury, rod streater coming off of injury, jones is meh, but offense is straight right. yaw dudes killing me.

You just dont get it breh

You dont pass on talent like Williams​

 

[Chris Cool]

you do when you have other needs and there is elite talent that matches your need.

nikkas been passing on that type of talent for years.

 

[blackestofpanthers]

Same guy who said pass on williams also said streater is better than crabs. Y'all gone learn

 

[Troublesome]

last in overall offense
26th in passing
last in rushing
last in yards per pass
2nd to last in points scored
last in 3rd down conversions
but it's stupid to draft a wide receiver? if that wasn't the teams biggest need, it just might be.
yaw nikkas even watch the games? or yaw just skim through them? let me refresh yaws memory.
L to jets 19-14.
L to Texans 30-14
L to pats 16-9
L Cardinals 24 -13
L to browns 23-14
L to seahawks 30-24
L to chargers 13-6
looks like the defense was doing they job, those is winnable games if they could put some points on the board. how Williams gonna help out with that? the defense had improved in the off season, has the offense?

you can't be serious at that teams with no standout wide receiver comparison. Raiders gotta Marshawn lynch? a frank gore? a Vernon Davis? a rob gronkowski? a tom Brady? a joe flacco? an anquan bolden? no, all raiders gotisa buncha question marks ans a young qb who desperately needs help. richardson is currently the biggest bust ever, murray was average outside of 2 games, Crabtree ain't been shyt since injury, rod streater coming off of injury, jones is meh, but offense is straight right. yaw dudes killing me.

I'm not saying it's stupid to draft a WR. i'm saying it's stupid to take a wr at 4 when there are more valuable/impactful players on the board. I just gave you info on all the top rookie wrs from last year and not one of them made a significant impact on the win/loss record and you want to draft one with the 4th pick? it's been proven you can get productive wrs late in the draft: Jordy Nelson (2nd round), Randall cobb (2nd round), Ty hilton (3rd round), Victor cruz (undrafted), Antonio Brown (6th round)... the list goes on. It's a complete waste to draft a wr at 4 when we have other needs.

 

[Chris Cool]

nobody give a fukk about crabtree bruh, this serious business. disagree all you want, I'm coming with facts.

 

[Troublesome]

no standout wide receiver comparison. Raiders gotta Marshawn lynch? a frank gore? a Vernon Davis? a rob gronkowski? a tom Brady? a joe flacco? an anquan bolden? no, all raiders gotisa buncha question marks ans a young qb who desperately needs help. richardson is currently the biggest bust ever, murray was average outside of 2 games, Crabtree ain't been shyt since injury, rod streater coming off of injury, jones is meh, but offense is straight right. yaw dudes killing me.

Vernon Davis' best seasons came during 8-8, 6-10 seasons. The year the 9ers went to the super bowl he had 5 TDs on 548 receiving. Mychal Rivera produced very similar stats this year The year the Ravens won the super bowl, Anquan Boldin had 4 TDs on 65 rec. We can get that type of production in the 2nd or 3rd round. FACTS

 

[Chris Cool]

I'm not saying it's stupid to draft a WR. i'm saying it's stupid to take a wr at 4 when there are more valuable/impactful players on the board. I just gave you info on all the top rookie wrs from last year and not one of them made a significant impact on the win/loss record and you want to draft one with the 4th pick? it's been proven you can get productive wrs late in the draft: Jordy Nelson (2nd round), Randall cobb (2nd round), Ty hilton (3rd round), Victor cruz (undrafted), Antonio Brown (6th round)... the list goes on. It's a complete waste to draft a wr at 4 when we have other needs.

i don't care about the other receivers from last year, all that shyt is irrelevant, i can say the same exact shyt. im talking about the Raiders. i just gave you FACTS about the raiders and their lack of production on offense and at the wr position. they draft receivers later damn near every year, shyts been working great right? One thousand yard receiver in the past 13 years. it's a complete waste to fill your biggest with the best players available? c'mon man.

 

[Troublesome]

i don't care about the other receivers from last year, all that shyt is irrelevant, i can say the same exact shyt. im talking about the Raiders. i just gave you FACTS about the raiders and their lack of production on offense and at the wr position. they draft receivers later damn near every year, shyts been working great right? One thousand yard receiver in the past 13 years. it's a complete waste to fill your biggest with the best players available? c'mon man.

I don't see our biggest need being a WR. Our biggest need is to build a dominant defense and respectable running game. We do that by building our offensive and defensive lines.

 

[blackestofpanthers]

People still talking about defense and running game in the nfl in 2015
You can be bottom 20 in both and still successful
Actually winning with defense and running game is more difficult lol

 

[Troublesome]

People still talking about defense and running game in the nfl in 2015
You can be bottom 20 in both and still successful
Actually winning with defense and running game is more difficult lol

of all those teams that win without a running game, how many of them have QBs not named Manning, Brady, Brees or Rodgers? Of course you can win without a running game if you have 1 of the greatest QBs to ever play the game on your roster.

 

[Chris Cool]

I don't see our biggest need being a WR. Our biggest need is to build a dominant defense and respectable running game. We do that by building our offensive and defensive lines.

for the most part they've already did that. the biggest needs are wr, de, and guard. after that some dbs maybe another receiver.

i wouldn't be surprised or mad if they took Williams, i just think offense needs the most help. del rio can coach defense, they gonna be alright. offense gotta score. these qbs be having shootouts and you gotta be able to compete.

 

[Troublesome]

for the most part they've already did that. the biggest needs are wr, de, and guard. after that some dbs maybe another receiver.

i wouldn't be surprised or mad if they took Williams, i just think offense needs the most help. del rio can coach defense, they gonna be alright. offense gotta score. these qbs be having shootouts and you gotta be able to compete.

I agree with those needs. I just value them a little differently. I think our biggest need is to generate a pass rush. Willams helps in that department, Cooper doesn't. And although I think Carr will be a pretty good QB, I would rather not have him in a shootout against Peyton, Rodgers, Brees or any other future hall of fame QB. Russell Wilson and the Seahawks don't beat Manning, Brees, Rodgers in shootouts. They stop them defensively.